I feel like in the scene where Furiosa is showing Max the killswitch sequence, he moves to to turn the safety back on on his gun. Is this just me? I could have sworn I saw/heard it. bonehandledknife primarybufferpaneloneangryshot
So I watched that part maybe 6 times and I still can’t tell what he’s doing.
The problem is the Grip Safety is very near the Hammer, and they would mean two completely opposite things.
This would have to be a dvd commentary thing unless someone can Elliot Spencer that shit and tell us if that’s the very distinctive sound of a hammer being cocked or the very distinctive sound of a safety being put back on.
Unless a gun is a revolver, I think, having to click back the hammer manually when you haven’t just reloaded is a Hollywood myth. So if we’re trusting this movie to be realistic about weapons use, it would be the safety.
Well from what I understand you need to always set the first shot, and it should be down for the following shots.
So I went ahead and tried to find a good side-angle on the gun from before the kill-switch sequence:
If so, would mean that, yeah, he’s probably putting the safety back on, great catch!
The safety features are pretty specific to the type of gun. This one is a Glock 17 (if someone corrects me – they’ll be right – but I’ll be sad if I screwed up recognizing a freaking Glock!) and the safety mechanism are as follows: http://ift.tt/1O3Lnn2
It’s a semiautomatic (each pull of the trigger fires one shot and loads the next round) and has a firing pin rather than a hammer one cocks manually.
After watching more videos of people loading and unloading Glocks than I ever thought I would…
Not having access to the movie I can’t check to see what is being referred to, but the Glock’s “safety” is built into the trigger. Pulling it activates several internal mechanisms. That is, the gun is “safe” because it CANNOT accidentally fire by being dropped, bumped, etc – it can only fire by the trigger being pulled. It does not have a lever/button/dial like some handguns that renders the gun inoperable unless it’s turned off. You can order them with a “internal locking system” (I think this is because of certain police forces requiring such a thing) but it looks like this: http://ift.tt/1L8PsGH And has an actual key that needs to be turned. Pretty sure that’s not what you guys are referring to Max doing.
The only way to “deescalate” (hee) a Glock is to take out the magazine, and then eject the chambered round. And obviously that’s not what happens in this scene.
Errr? Okay so what is he doing? Because there was a very intentional click added to the sound.
Guns aren’t my thing, but I came across more detail and wanted to update.
It turns out it’s not the (hammerless) Glock 17 that we’re talking about. Max is dual-wielding in this scene:
The pistol in his right hand is the Glock from the side of the war rig. But it’s the pistol in his left hand that he’s pointing at Furiosa during the “What do I call you?” exchange:
So everything make sense: the click is indeed meant to be taken as Max uncocking the pistol (or putting the safety on?), de-escalating in response to Furiosa giving him the kill-switch sequence. No magical nonexistent Glock hammer/safety is required.
I feel like in the scene where Furiosa is showing Max the killswitch sequence, he moves to to turn the safety back on on his gun. Is this just me? I could have sworn I saw/heard it. bonehandledknife primarybufferpaneloneangryshot
So I watched that part maybe 6 times and I still can’t tell what he’s doing.
The problem is the Grip Safety is very near the Hammer, and they would mean two completely opposite things.
This would have to be a dvd commentary thing unless someone can Elliot Spencer that shit and tell us if that’s the very distinctive sound of a hammer being cocked or the very distinctive sound of a safety being put back on.
Unless a gun is a revolver, I think, having to click back the hammer manually when you haven’t just reloaded is a Hollywood myth. So if we’re trusting this movie to be realistic about weapons use, it would be the safety.
Well from what I understand you need to always set the first shot, and it should be down for the following shots.
So I went ahead and tried to find a good side-angle on the gun from before the kill-switch sequence:
If so, would mean that, yeah, he’s probably putting the safety back on, great catch!
The safety features are pretty specific to the type of gun. This one is a Glock 17 (if someone corrects me – they’ll be right – but I’ll be sad if I screwed up recognizing a freaking Glock!) and the safety mechanism are as follows: http://ift.tt/1O3Lnn2
It’s a semiautomatic (each pull of the trigger fires one shot and loads the next round) and has a firing pin rather than a hammer one cocks manually.
After watching more videos of people loading and unloading Glocks than I ever thought I would…
Not having access to the movie I can’t check to see what is being referred to, but the Glock’s “safety” is built into the trigger. Pulling it activates several internal mechanisms. That is, the gun is “safe” because it CANNOT accidentally fire by being dropped, bumped, etc – it can only fire by the trigger being pulled. It does not have a lever/button/dial like some handguns that renders the gun inoperable unless it’s turned off. You can order them with a “internal locking system” (I think this is because of certain police forces requiring such a thing) but it looks like this: http://ift.tt/1L8PsGH And has an actual key that needs to be turned. Pretty sure that’s not what you guys are referring to Max doing.
The only way to “deescalate” (hee) a Glock is to take out the magazine, and then eject the chambered round. And obviously that’s not what happens in this scene.
Errr? Okay so what is he doing? Because there was a very intentional click added to the sound.
Just rewatched to confirm, and yeah, there’s definitely a click sound added that coincides with Max doing something with his thumb around the back end of the gun.
At the risk of sacrilege, is it possible this is an intentional “goof” added for storytelling purposes? That is, the filmmakers wanted to show Max deescalating in response to Furiosa’s giving him the code, so they employed an unrealistic sound effect to make it look like Max was uncocking the (hammerless) Glock?
I know of at least two other examples of them doing something like this in the movie. In some of the BTS material (can’t remember where) there was a discussion of adding CGI bodies pinwheeling through the air, and how the artists intentionally didn’t show that realistically, with limbs rigidly outstretched in a “starfish” manner. Audiences are used to stunt people who wave their arms around and exaggerate those motions to make it more visually interesting, so the artists animated it the same way.
The other example I’d noticed is when the People Eater’s war party is approaching and Capable and Angharad are looking at them through binoculars and a telescope. In the view we see through Angharad’s telescope (I assume), it’s clear (if you understand optics) that the People Eater swelling to fill the frame is an unrealistic effect of him being much closer to the camera than depicted. But audiences have been conditioned to expect/overlook such inaccuracies, and it helps the storytelling by emphasizing the menace of the approaching war party while giving a close-up that introduces the People Eater’s character.
I love the lengths to which the movie goes to be realistic. This is a big issue for me with a lot of movies; I have a hard time getting past the unrealistic physics of pretty much every comic book movie of the last decade, for example. Ultimately, though, it’s about telling a story. When Fury Road strays from a realistic depiction it does so with restraint, saving it for situations where it a) helps the story, and b) is unobtrusive enough that even an obsessive viewer who notices will be inclined to forgive. I’m not sure that’s what’s going on in this case, but if it is I think I’m okay with it.
I feel like in the scene where Furiosa is showing Max the killswitch sequence, he moves to to turn the safety back on on his gun. Is this just me? I could have sworn I saw/heard it. bonehandledknife primarybufferpaneloneangryshot
So I watched that part maybe 6 times and I still can’t tell what he’s doing.
The problem is the Grip Safety is very near the Hammer, and they would mean two completely opposite things.
This would have to be a dvd commentary thing unless someone can Elliot Spencer that shit and tell us if that’s the very distinctive sound of a hammer being cocked or the very distinctive sound of a safety being put back on.
I noticed this just last night during my most-recent viewing. I don’t know guns, but I interpreted it as (maybe) Max taking the gun off being cocked by lowering the hammer (if that’s even a thing with this type of gun). Either that or putting the safety on would both seem like appropriate responses to the increased trust in him that Furiosa is showing by giving him the code. The movie is making a point of showing _something_ going on with the gun there, and it seems to make more sense that Max would be de-escalating rather than escalating. Doesn’t it?
Gale was so thrilled to be involved that she took on the stunts she could handle safely, including one that involved rolling out of the way of pursuing vehicles after a motorbike crash. “I just had to trust that they would all drive and hit their mark and miss me,” she says. “I had to just roll to the left, to the right, to the left, to the right over rocks. That was pretty exhilarating.”
Gale says they shot the scene several times for different camera angles and that the expert stunt crew did exactly what they had to do each time. Even working in extreme conditions, Miller still made himself available to discuss dialogue and costumes to help her with the role.
“It was a gruelling shoot,” she says. “I came in quite a few months after they’d been there and he was just collected and calm. I never saw him lose his cool, even logistically a lot of things were happening. There’s always something that can go wrong, whether it’s a car that breaks down or someone’s sick or a stunt is not quite working, and he was just so calm.”
I know in theory it shouldn’t matter how it was done as long as it looks good (don’t get me started on the making ofs that talk about how all the embroidery on the main character’s underwear was researched by university professors and woven from silk made by worms that went to space, who cares if we never get to see it?) but knowing so many of the stunts were real just makes me appreciate this film a million times more. That’s hard work, setting up a shot like that, even if the car was only going over the camera that’s no picnic.
The Valkyrie is making nothing but headshots.
This has to do with characterization more than stuntwork, but I love how precise the Vuvulini are in their technique and conservation of ammunition. Compare this to the Bullet Farmer or any of the Immortan’s crew, whose philosophy seems to be “Why aim when you can just throw MORE BULLETS at the target?”
Every one of the Vuvulini makes every bullet count, and every one of them is a stone-cold markswoman. Of COURSE Max should have given Furiosa the rifle.
YES, inmyriadbits was just talking about her own headcanon about this, about how Furiosa started to use a rifle very young, before she was stolen.
I’m struggling to think of any prominent use of rifles in the earlier trilogy: Max and the other MFP cops primarily used handguns and shotguns for short-range/melee combat, ditto in The Road Warrior plus tons of bows and flamethrowers, more handguns/shotguns plus edged weapons in Thunderdome.
Rifles are precision long-distance weapons largely used for hunting and combat, things that require training and discipline, which are hella rare in this world. It’s a beautiful characterization note – not just on a personal level for Furiosa, who actively prefers that rifle until she runs out of bullets, but for what it says about the Vuvalini community.
I’m reblogging this again because I realized upon tonight’s viewing that Keeper doesn’t say “hedgehogs” in that scene with Dag; she says “headshots” (which just makes… a million percent more sense, why would she even say hedgehogs, what is up with my brain), and then I paid close attention to Keeper’s gun, and the other Vuvalini’s guns, and I’m now rolling with a theory that the rifle Valkyrie uses for this scene is the only one the Vuvalini have that doesn’t need to be reloaded between each shot.
If Valkyrie and Furiosa practiced as kids with an antique like this, damn right they learned to make every shot count.
I am certifiably bad at gun identification though, so anyone with more knowledge feel free to correct me.
I’m not game to guess the exact model, but I’m pretty sure that Valkyrie is using a Winchester lever-action repeating rifle. (Pulling the lever is the action she’s doing with her trigger hand between each shot to chamber the next round.) It would be fitting because it’s an iconic firearm: “the gun that won the west”.
According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database, it’s a Rossi .357 lever action. Which indeed is very similar to (and presumably inspired by?) the classic Winchester. But I don’t know anything about guns, so take my two-minutes-of-googling with a grain of salt.
