Marathon Woman

It takes a lot of balls to be a firefighter, and it takes a log of balls to file a fraudulent workers comp complaint, and it takes a lot of balls to compete in marathons.

But it really really takes a Ginormous set of Cajones to do all three.

Ladies and gentleman, I give you the “Lies.com Liar of the Week” (TM) Christina Hijjawi who surrendered to police today after a warrant was issued claiming she had bilked San Francisco for $140,000 in workers’ compensation and disability benefits while training for and competing in ultra-marathons, triathlons, and other extreme endurance events.

Congratulations Christina, you are an inspiration to aspiring Liars everywhere.

Disclaimer: “Lies.com Liar of the Week” is not a real competition nor is it endorsed by lies.com or jbc. Or for that matter, hossman.

62 Responses to “Marathon Woman”

  1. ymatt Says:

    I, for one, fully support Liar of the Week. That shit is hilarious.

  2. shcb Says:

    So this is going to be a problem. Now that Democrats own everything there aren’t going to be any “lies” being told so it’s going to be hard for me to comment on issues of those in power since no one here is going to mention them. So I guess I will b off topic a lot.

    The Wall Street Journal had a piece yesterday about the proposed bailout on the auto industry. The first interesting part is that the Obama administration wants the Bush administration to use money from TARP to help the auto industry, Bush has correctly said that the TARP charter doesn’t give him authority to help anyone but the financial institutions. The boy has so much to learn.

    So congress wants to look into helping the big three or two and a half as it seems to be now as early as next week. Congress of course is at least the right place to hold these discussions. Already before discussions are even taking place there is talk of the strings attached to a bailout; a lower limit on how much R&D money going into alternative fuel cars whether that makes financial sense or not, remember this is a financial bill. There will also be limits on compensation for upper executives, the list goes on and on, fascism at its best.

    So one faction has already been served, the enviros, and now to the second faction, unions. The Obama advanced team (maybe it was congress) has said that they don’t think there is any reason for the unions to give any considerations in this restructure. But of course they are the problem. The pension plans and medical insurance payments to retirees are the unfunded liability that is driving these companies out of business, that and overpaid unskilled labor. So this faction is also being served. This is one reason companies like GM are for socialized health care, they could then get out of at least the insurance portion of this unfunded liability.

    Most companies in this century have gone to defined contributions and away from defined benefits, this makes retirement plans portable and adaptable to changing market conditions. The unions are blaming management for making bad decisions, but the worst decision management has made in the last few decades is giving in to union demands.

  3. NorthernLite Says:

    Try to remember that George W. Bush is still the president, and has been for the past 8 years. I’m sure there will be plenty of legitimate things for you to bitch about when Obama takes the reigns, and I’m sure this site will post issues that are worthy.

    But again, if you’re looking for someone to blame for the state of your country, try a mirror.

    Have you ever researched W’s past as a “leader” of many companies? He virtually ran them all into the ground. And now he’s done it to a whole country.

    PA, MI, OH all went for Obama. Now, I know you understand politics. Do you honestly think he will not help the auto sector? It would be political suicide if it didn’t.

    Though, it would be kind of nice to see GM fail and added to George W. Bush’s legacy.

    Heckuva job… heckuva job.

  4. shcb Says:

    You are absolutely right, when I say the coalition will be served, that doesn’t mean there is any underhanded dealing going on, it may, but more times than not all the players were on the same page to begin with. Does a faction give money to a candidate because he believes in the priorities of the faction or does the faction give money so he will pass legislation in line with the faction’s priorities. In this case, forcing the unions to bring their compensation packages in line with the rest of the world would be a good thing for all involved, at the marginal expense of the union members, just as the restructuring of the management compensation. But the union doesn’t want that, they paid good money to get him elected, but at the same time his honest assessment may be that the union is not to blame, management forged these contracts it’s up to them to deliver. In the end GM may go under, cars will still be sold, but the contract with GM will be void since there is no GM, then the workers will go to work for Toyota at market rate with a 401k replacing their pensions, so nothing is gained. If they were more sensible perhaps they could lose a little bit but still be above the Toyota deal. If Obama is a centrist leader perhaps he will explain this to the unions, time will tell. But this is why party trumps person. You’re not only getting Obama and a Democratic congress, you are getting their coalition.

  5. shcb Says:

    Remember the Democrats have had control of the House and Senate the last two years. Things were at least holding their own in the Bush years before that.

  6. enkidu Says:

    wwnj is growing more extreme every day…

    come on folks Obama is a fascist? really? wasn’t he a marxist last week? or socialist? or worse (cue dramatic music) Seriously, the man hasn’t even sat at his desk and already he is responsible for the economic crisis, the banking meltdown, fascism, GM’s problems, college tuition going thru the roof and tooth decay. OK I threw that last one in for comedic effect. But the point is the Rethuggles will fight tooth and nail to sink Obama. We left-of-wwnj-folks gave bush too much rope after he stole the election in 2000 and even more after 9/11. What a fine fuckup w has turned out to be. worst. president. ever.

    Listen wwnj, in 2000 you freaks won by one vote, a supreme court vote. In 2008 Obama won by almost 7% in the popular vote. His electoral college numbers are indeed a strong mandate for change. Those are facts.

    Now please, if you have nothing constructive to say, please sit down, stfu for the next 4 years and let the adults try to fix the disasters you and your ilk have wrought.

  7. knarlyknight Says:

    My oh my. Enkidu has not yet forgotten the brutal political / media beatings his left of crazy camp has endured for 8 years. Everyone else seems to have moved on, what the heck is wrong with Enkidu? Interesting.

    shcb, one tidbit – TARP might be used for leasing/finance arms of the auto industry, no? Then again, who the f*** cares.

    OT – Seems to be a little bounce lately in the American dollar (measured against the $Cdn at least), maybe it’s time for you folks to buy some solid foreign currency for your personal portfolios?

  8. shcb Says:

    Enky I have been very careful to not blame Obama for anything, any blame I am placing is justified because of what individuals or groups have done or said they will do, notice no personal attacks, calling anyone stupid or a liar, anything like that. Government telling private companies what they can and can’t do is fascism. Government actually holding ownership of those companies is communism, this financial mess is moving us down those paths incrementally, now that doesn’t mean we can’t back away from these policies once the crisis is over, the question is will we. That question can only be answered with a crystal ball. I hope Obama is a guy who will keep these intrusions to a minimum and champion a return to normalcy when the time is appropriate. I would love to be a big Obama fan in four years because of the wonderful job he has done. He is my president too.

    Knarls, good point on the financing of the auto industry, but I don’t think that is what they are asking for, they are asking for more of a blank check. Besides, I think TARP would cover that end of the automotive equation anyway at least to the point that money is fungible. This unfounded liability in the auto industry and education, anywhere there is a union with a pension plan has been an issue for a number of years, without some reform the problem is just going to get worse. Taxpayers will eventually own the pension plans and it will just be an extension of Social Security much as PERA is here in Colorado, maybe other places, don’t know if PERA is nation wide. But at least Public Employee Retirement (don’t know what the A stands for, Act? Association?) is public funds to begin with.

  9. enkidu Says:

    shcb, saying Obama is a fascist is ridiculous and beyond reasonable discourse.
    I responded in kind. You really need to buy a dictionary or use one online.

    knarls, you want to play patty cake with the rightwingers? Kumbahya! brother, your call, but the Rs aren’t playing beanbag and if the Dems don’t get 60 Senators (ugh, incl Joe Lieberman) then they can’t pass much of anything. Unless they can get a few Rs to compromise. Plus there are some pretty awful Dems in there, good luck getting all the blue dog Democrats in line. Compromise will probably be the best way forward, just leaning back towards the center – yes shcb that means we move the country to the left – away from the far right wing ‘terror incognita’ that our ‘leaders’ have driven us into.

    I also find it amazing that the big automakers haven’t been clamoring for universal healthcare as it would help their finances considerably.

  10. knarlyknight Says:

    Aren’t the US “universal” healthcare proposals only universal in that they cover the people who are not already covered by a corporate/private plan? As such Automakers would not benefit.

    Unfunded plans are stupid anyway, be they health or unemployment, because if current contributors are not paying enough to meet future obligations then they are just forcing a subsidy from future contributors.

    Enk, “patty cakes” with the people who invented terrrrer incognito (good phrase by the way!) to bolster military procurement spending will be as effective as “hardball”. Neither work to increase understanding, win arguments or convert agnostics. Ridicule is the sharpest sword, but it is useful only if it cuts through the wwnj BS in a wide enough swath to let in a succinct articulation of complex answers (i.e. comprendable to “morans”.

    By the way, please re-read shcb’s use of the term “fascism” (bottom of third paragraph, second post in this thread) as I do not see how that can be tied to calling Obama a fascist. Clearly shcb was talking about bailouts and tweaks of same that were bipartisan but more of a Republican making. As such it is generous that he now recognizes current Bush regime actions as fascist, even though he has failed to see past actions (e.g. privatizing military contractors and then awarding highly profitable no-bid government contracts to them) as even more outrageous acts of facism.

  11. knarlyknight Says:

    Do “unruly protesters” that turn out to be cops dressed up like the protesters fit into the meme of “Lies.com Liar of the week”?

    Or do we have to wait until the official explanations to decide?

  12. knarlyknight Says:

    Cops pretending to be bad protesters: www . denverpost.com/news/ci_10920817

  13. shcb Says:

    Knarls,

    I’m sure there are as many “universal” proposals out there as liberal politicians. I’ve heard the Auto workers union is hoping one of them will take over that liability. I don’t know if that is an extrapolation of a published plan or an actual plan.

    Here is another example of problems automakers in America and the unions have brought on themselves titled jobs for nothing this contract is up next year, this is plenty of time for the Obama team to prepare, he can still be true to his coalition and do the right thing if he gets them to stop madness like this. The union and the industry is benefiting themselves out of existence.

    The buyout (bailout) of AIG for instance would fit my definition of fascism, which in this case I am rather narrowly defining as the government regulating a business to the point that there is just an illusion of ownership. I’m also defining communism as narrowly as the government actually owning the business. I know there is much more to both terms but for this discussion that is all I mean. on second thought the AIG deal probably is closer to communism, and yes I know the Bush people and both parties are involved, and I’m not so sure it is a bad thing, sometimes we need a little short term socialism to guard against more long term socialism. The key is if and when are these policies reversed to turn these fascist or communistic acts into capitalistic acts.

    Privatizing military contracts doesn’t apply here in any way, if it did it would be moving from socialization to capitalism.

    As far as the Denver cops go, they did an absolutely outstanding job with the demonstrators at the DNC, as well as the Hickenlooper administration. As far as I can see in this article the Police did nothing wrong, the cops were UNDER COVER that is what undercover cops do. Thanks to them many people were unhurt and millions of dollars of damage wasn’t done. These little twerps had stockpiles of weapons and nasty stuff stashed all over the city, piles of bricks, bags of blood etc. These undercover cops were able to find out where these stashes were and remove them. As for the ACLU, they sued the city for the plan of action of the cops, Mayor Hick publicly laughed at them the judge was a little more PC but he threw them out in short order. The ACLU were and are on the side of the creeps.

  14. knarlyknight Says:

    shcb,
    As much as I disagree with most everything you say, it’s just not worth it to quibble here.

    What is worth mentioning is:

    (1) it’s admirable you attempt to be clear in defining your terms, but please save us all some time and consult a dictionary yourself before writing so we don’t have to learn simplistic, mind-numbing wwnj jargon (dumbed down English).

    (2) Privatizing military contracts (Blackwater USA, KBR Root, etc.) absolutely does apply here. It is an excellent example of why your use of the word “fascism” was correct in the first place! Your calling such arrangements as “capitalism” is utter ignorance. Perhaps try reading a bit from authors with actual learnings, qualifications and decent vocabularies, like Robert Higgs for example:

    Participants in the military-industrial-congressional complex (MICC) are routinely blamed for “mismanagement,” not infrequently they are accused of “waste, fraud, and abuse,” and from time to time a few of them are indicted for criminal offenses (Higgs 1988, 1990, xx-xxiii, 2004; Fitzgerald 1989; Kovacic 1990a, 1990b). All of these unsavory actions, however, are typically viewed as aberrations—misfeasances to be rectified or malfeasances to be punished while retaining the basic system of state-private cooperation in the production of military goods and services […] I maintain, in contrast, that these offenses and even more serious ones are not simply unfortunate blemishes on a basically sound arrangement, but superficial expressions of a thoroughgoing, intrinsic rottenness in the entire setup.

    It is regrettable in any event for people to suffer under the weight of a state and its military apparatus, but the present arrangement—a system of military-economic fascism as instantiated in the United States by the MICC—is worse than full-fledged military-economic socialism.

    In the latter, the people are oppressed, because they are taxed, conscripted, and regimented, but they are not …

    The full article is here www .independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1896

  15. shcb Says:

    Since we’re redefining terms, I see the left has added “congressional” to their misuse of the term “Military-Industrial Complex” This is like the left using “star Wars” as a pejorative.

    Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
    This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

    Ike understood that we were the greatest country on earth and with that realization came responsibility to other countries that didn’t have the resources to defend themselves. He understood that in the future there wouldn’t be time to change whole industries from peace to war and back again, entire air forces could move across the oceans in a matter of weeks, mechanized divisions could swallow up whole countries in days. Reactions must be made in days, sometimes minutes, not months or years.

    I’m not totally comfortable with using mercenaries like Blackwater either, I was referring more to using contractors for feeding the troops and the like.

    My definitions are correct, I was just trying to keep you on track. There are so many paths you can take fascism down for instance I wanted to limit the discussion to that one aspect.

  16. shcb Says:

    I read your link, almost every facet of government spending could be put to that same test, he just happens to focus on military procurements. Auto safety regulations, environmental regulations, wildlife advocates, unions, farming, pharmaceuticals, education, etc, etc, etc. They all play these same games.

  17. knarlyknight Says:

    Riiiight, “games” they are then. A trillion for military interests re: Iraq, now a trillion or for Wall Street, at least the stink from Wall Street doesn’t seem to include decaying corpses, just pig excrement. www .rollingstone.com/politics/story/24012700/the_new_trough/print

  18. shcb Says:

    How much are we spending on this Global Warming hoax?

  19. shcb Says:

    Hey! can we make global warming the lie of the week this week!

  20. shcb Says:

    Maybe we can do 95% of Americans will get a tax cut next week, this can be fun!

  21. NorthernLite Says:

    Dude, go read some science books.

  22. shcb Says:

    I have, have you noticed it’s being called Climate Change now? wonder why? because it looks like we are cresting the natural heating cycle and are starting to cool.

  23. knarlyknight Says:

    Regardless of long term natural global warming or cooling trends taking steps to reduce soot, CO, other carbon emissions and otherwise cut our grotesque polluting of this planet is a good thing – unless you are a pathogen. That may explain shcb’s position.

    As for spending on war, that’s just adding immensely to pollution and the squandering of resources – again the only ones to benefit in the long run from that are the pathogens.

    As for the Wall street bailout, if Americans want to “share the wealth” by giving investment bankers the biggest bail-out I’ve ever heard of, I just feel sorry for the average taxpayer, you guys and your kids who will ultimately owe the debts. Also, a high debt makes it tougher for government to deliver effective health, education, and social programs – again, advantage: pathogens.

  24. NorthernLite Says:

    Ok there shcb, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change consists of thousands of scientists from all over the world and they have determined – through science (gasp!) – that human-induced warming of our planet is causing our climate to change.

    If you want to go on believing Rush Limbaugh instead, that’s your choice. But just remember, when you say things like “it’s a hoax”, you sound just as stupid and ignorant as he does.

  25. shcb Says:

    unless he and the tens of thousands of scientists that think the books were cooked in the study you refer to are right.

  26. NorthernLite Says:

    Yeah, there’s a big conspiracy by all the world’s leading climatologists…mmmhmmm.

    Ten of thousands of scientists…lol, please list them. There is only a handful, and they’re being paid by oil and coal companies. In fact, they are scarcer to find each day. And really, you need to stop listening to Rush, he’s taken more drugs than Keith Richards has!

    Anyways…this debate ended a long time ago. I’m looking forward to Obama finally leading a global effort to do something about this. And John McCain will be right there with him!

    In fact, our Prime Minister (who is a Conservative, btw) said about two days after the election that he looks forward to working with the Obama administration on a North American climate deal. Yay!

  27. knarlyknight Says:

    Excuse me shcb and NL, but can’t I just have a breath of fresh air and a glass of clean water?

    Who cares what the temperature is going to be in 10,000 or 1000 or even 100 years, but when it’s not overcast I’d like it if me and my kids could have a blue sky instead of grey, and at night see more than 7 or 8 stars in the sky.

    Cut back on fossil fuels and that can be achieved for everyone within our lifetimes, and fewer people you know will die prematurely of cancer and other diseases, and their moods will probably be a whole lot better too.
    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=giant-asian-smog-cloud-ma

    Global Warming: (a) Hoax or (b) No Hoax?

    Option 1: Do nothing, hope it was all a hoax

    Outcome 1(a): It was a hoax, so you continued excessive emissions of pollution (poor environment) and had few economic consequences other than high cancer rates etc. and grey skies, dead lakes, etc. from pollution.

    Outcome 1(b): It was not a hoax, so you continue polluting and suffer catastrophe in a polluted environment, there is an environmental and economic devastation from which our descendants may never recover.

    Option 2: Do everything to curb global warming emissions

    Outcome 2(a): It was a hoax, but pollution is better, natural food supplies are up, human health increases, economic costs were incurred but economic boom from green technologies accelerated so that may even be a wash.

    Outcome 2(b): It was not a hoax, so you have have mitigated against catastrophe in every way possible, at a great cost, so that the economic and environmental losses were reduced. Perhaps your grandkids or their grandkids will see a reversal of the damage in their lifetimes.

    Obviously, the “do nothing” approach results in worse outcomes than the “do everything possible” approach.

    However, shcb may not really be arguing that it is hoax, but rather that human activities do not contribute to global warmingin any significant way but rather the phenomenom of GW is far greater than what is in human control. If so, we will still see wild swings in the earth’s temperature similar to what the evidence from past eons has shown (some evidence shows vascillations between ice ages and warm periods affected vast areas in short periods (a few hundred years) and more recently affected neanderthal / cro-magnon survival rates in Europe. Food is the limiting factor. Therefore, to survive those swings the best we can then we need the environmental web of life to be as intact as possible. Can’t do that if we continue with a do nothing approach as shcb implies.

  28. shcb Says:

    Knarls

    Your last paragraph is exactly what I am talking about, I have no problem keeping things as clean as practical. So let’s build some nuke plants and recycle the stuff.

    Farming is so much cleaner and more water sensitive now than just 30 years ago, my grandpa flooded his fields, now we have a sprinkler system. Satellite data is downloaded into a computer on the sprayer and it adjusts via GPS to give more pesticides only in areas where there are bug infestations instead of spraying the whole field. Cars, trains, planes, boats, lawnmowers, power plants, they are all so much cleaner now. We are doing something, we’re doing a lot, because we have the money to develop these technologies.

    The danger with Global Warming hysteria is spending resources needlessly. Corn based fuels being a prime example. Cap and trade is another silly idea that won’t help the environment but will weaken our economy, which will leave less money to develop new technologies.

    NL,

    Question, how much money is America going to give Canada under this plan you are talking about?

  29. knarlyknight Says:

    Now why would you say such a thing shcb, now that Bush is on his way out have you suddenly become tired of throwing money away like clowns at a parade?

    I think our current government is going for a cap and trade credits system, so if you want to keep with high emissions you can do so as long as you send the cash to us and Mexico to pay us for our over-reductions to cover your under-reductions. But our current government is more in line with your neo-cons, so its a little goofy for example it has weasled a new definition of “cap” so it is not an absolute limit but rather a reduction on the emissions produced per unit of carbon input, so you’d get a credit under the scheme if you reduced emissions per gallon of gas even if you used twice as much gas. Also, expect our current governmetn to take a strong position on allowing Canada’s oil sands production processes (highly intensive water and natural gas inputs and highly polluting) to be treated favourably or even encouraged under any North American carbon scheme.

  30. shcb Says:

    and the lawyers will get the most out of deal, the environment the least.

  31. shcb Says:

    Back to the auto industry bailout. I just find the dynamics of politics so fascinating. Here we have two factions of the Democratic coalition that are vying for the same money, sort of.

    The union is standing firm as I predicted

    “We made an agreement, and we made major concessions,” he said. “So how can you blame the autoworkers?”

    Now the Bush administration has proposed a very reasonable proposal, redirect money from a bill that was to give (loan) money to the auto industry to develop fuel efficient cars. This of course will upset another very important faction of the Democrats, environmentalists.

    What Obama said makes sense:

    For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment,” Obama said in a “60 Minutes” interview airing Sunday night on CBS. “So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan — what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?

    Since there is a good chance all the players may decide to wait until he is president Obama may get the chance to see if he can get two of his most important factions to give up some things that is very important to them; money and power.

  32. NorthernLite Says:

    Power to the people!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWQnaAtSLsM

    Google “countdown to victory” and you will find a blog that has compiled home videos from accross the world of people counting down and watching CNN on election night. I tried to post the link here a couple times last week but they ain’t making it through.

    If you don’t get choked up watching some of them, check yourself for a pulse, cause you might be dead.

    countdowntovictory(dot)blogspot(dot)com

  33. knarlyknight Says:

    You’ll like this one shcb:
    www . telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml

  34. shcb Says:

    Thanks for that Knarls, in the original model one of the things they did was exagerate the effect of clouds by a factor 8. I’m all for keeping things clean but you need good information so you can make good decisions.

  35. shcb Says:

    I like NL but when you hear things like “the science is in” you know he is one the zombies. Science by its nature is never complete, religious faith is but not science. That and the fact we have only been studying this phenomenon for what 20 years? We’ve only been able to study the upper atmosphere for the last 50 years. There is evidence of global warming on Mars, the list goes on and on. We should research this as we do everything else but use some common sense in our reactions.

  36. NorthernLite Says:

    Oh sorry, shcb, I didn’t realize that you were a climatologist.

    I will believe you from now over the thousands of scientists that have been studying this for more than 50 years.

    Like I said earlier, you can deny it all you want, but it doesn’t matter anyways. The debate is over. Your side lost, sorry.

    Watch this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

  37. shcb Says:

    Look NL, we’re in a new era with a uniter for president, let’s unite. Admit you’re wrong and I’m right. Admit this was the biggest hoax on the world’s population and then we can all get along. Kum ba yah my lord, kum ba yah, oh lord kum ba yah

  38. NorthernLite Says:

    Nah, I still think the biggest hoax on the world’s population was “Iraq has WMD’s, mushroom clouds, Saddam/Al Qaeda are lovers…ackkk”.

    Kum ba yah, kum bah ya…

  39. NorthernLite Says:

    And since when do you believe more in crazy religions than in science?

    Oh yeah, when it suits your argument.

  40. shcb Says:

    when the science becomes a religion

  41. shcb Says:

    That didn’t come out right, I believe in science more than religion, the science I am hearing is that the science you are referring to is seriously flawed. Now until those differences are rectified I don’t want to do something detrimental to economies or the environment. Like the oath doctors take, “I will do no harm”. There is enough science out there to show that global warming is more than likely caused primarily by the sun and the various rotations of the earth wobbling on its axis and the elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun. That also makes a lot of common sense too. For you enviros to ignore that aspect shows a religious like attachment to this theory for whatever reason.

    Those of us on my side realize man has some impact but that impact is so very tiny it doesn’t make sense to upset the world economies to fix maybe 1/5000th of the problem when the problem will fix itself in a couple hundred years. Then people like you will be yelling we have to stop (fill in the blank) or we will all freeze!

  42. NorthernLite Says:

    LMAO – Did you just say that you’re afraid that we’re (people of science) are going to destroy the economy? For real, did you just say that?

    You can shout at your computer screen all day long, but the world is about to change. Join us.

    If not, sit back and watch the youth of the world clean up after you old farts. You had your time, it’s over.

    Now it’s our time. Yes we can.

  43. shcb Says:

    Oh you have so much to learn

  44. knarlyknight Says:

    shcb,
    Holy crap! Climae change caused by the sun and the earth wobbling on its axis and changes in the elliptical orbit? This sounds FAR more serious than we thought. I’m afraid this is going to cost far far more than originally anticipated when we naively assumed it was just greenhouse gases we were dealing with. This is serious dude. Start printing more US dollars, we’re going to need it to deal with the famines, hurricanes and mass migrations away from sea level regions.
    www .youtube.com/watch?v=hvG2XptIEJk&eurl=http://www.michaelmoore.com/

  45. knarlyknight Says:

    Trillion dollar crime scene – Naomi, wow… go girl:
    www .youtube.com/watch?v=_SyxyPpDqn8

  46. NorthernLite Says:

    Seriously, shcb, join us. Join us in the 21 century and help make this world a better place for our children and grandchildren. You’ve seen what extreme right-wing policies do. You’ve seen what religious fanatics do. I know that’s not what you want.

    Stop hating for the sake of hating. You will only end up dying a grumpy, lonely old fart. No one wants to see that. If you or your wife become seriously ill and you can’t afford the medical bills for the care you require, we’ll look after you. We’re all in this together.

    Science is our friend. I’m sure that you have many friends and relatives that have had their life saved or prolonged by science. Do not be afraid of evolving, it’s what we’ve been doing for thousands of years.

    The best advice I think I could give you is to tell not to be afraid. Don’t be afraid of new ideas, change, science, people of different colours and cultures. Also, don’t be afraid of the earth wobbling of its axis. I’ve looked into it, we’re okay. If we all work together we can accomplish great things.

    And when people tell you that you can’t do something, or it’s not possible, just tell them this:

    Yes. We. Can.

  47. knarlyknight Says:

    Yes, come on shcb, you’ll be so much happier than if you continue to fight us. Besides, resistance is futile because change is already underway. Join us as we re-create an American dream and move forward towards the utopia that Barrack enivisions for us all. ;-)

  48. shcb Says:

    I BELIEVE!!! I AM SAVED!!! OH BLESSED BE THE GREAT LIBERAL GOD.

    I just can’t thank you guys enough for letting me see the light.

  49. NorthernLite Says:

    No problem brother.

    If there’s anything I’ve learned over these past few years, it’s this:

    Being angry is kind of like a rocking chair. It’ll give you something to do, but it won’t get you anywhere.

  50. shcb Says:

    Well, the guys you all elected have about 14 months to get a lot done in the eyes of that 5% or 10% of the population known as swing voters. if you fail you will probably lose control of the Senate. In off year elections the House races tend to be more local so you are probably safe there. Dow lost another 400 today. The Democrats in congress are presiding over a pretty nasty down turn and won’t have a Republican in site to blame next time. Good luck.

  51. shcb Says:

    sight, not site, damn nuns.

  52. knarlyknight Says:

    Sitting in his rocking chair angry at the nuns…

  53. shcb Says:

    Credit is due where it is deserved and that is a great metaphor. I’m not angry though, at least not that Democrats won. This too shall pass. There was a time when one of my liberal friends said the Democratic party was done, they will never be in power again. I consoled he and said these things are cyclical, and they are.

    Now I will be angry at individual Democrats from time to time, just as I am angry at Republicans sometimes, though not as often as Democrats. For instance I’m a little upset that Dodd on Frank are being given so much power in fixing this economic mess since they are principally to blame for it. But I think Hillary may be a good choice for Sec State. I may come to regret that statement, but for now what the heck.

    Knarls,

    I looked into Naomi’s claims a little, she basically hasn’t a clue as to what she is talking about. I got the feeling with her presentation that maybe she was in over her head and it seems she is, I’m going to look into it a little more. My first clue was her referring to Frank wanting to prosecute Paulson, or something to that effect. That is like the judge presiding over the trial of his wife when he is the prime suspect.

  54. shcb Says:

    …the murder of his wife…

  55. NorthernLite Says:

    Did you guys see the Palin interview yesterday, where she pardoned a turkey, and then gave a 3 minute interview with turkey’s being slaughtered in the background? Seriously, heads being ground off by a big machine. You just can’t make this shit up.

    Good for a Friday laugh! The Sarah Palin Turkey Massacre:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92I6-M2vAbQ

    What a retard.

  56. shcb Says:

    That’s why we like her, no political correctness there, it’s a turkey farm, ya gotta kill ‘em before you can eat em.

  57. NorthernLite Says:

    Lol, I know that’s why you like her – cause she’s a retard. Recently it seems to be a key quality you require if you want to lead the GOP.

  58. shcb Says:

    She is certainly a conservative, we tend to like traditional values of knowing where our food comes from and not being too squeamish about what processes it takes to meat on the table, remember she is a hunter, a little blood never hurt anyone. We kind of believe in honesty and integrity, we would never disown our white grandmas unless they gave us cause. If that makes us retards, so be it.

  59. enkidu Says:

    Not only does shcb not have any idea what the word “fascism” means, I think he may not have a clue what the word “pardon” means either. ;-)

    Please please please let this woman run again in 2012!

  60. shcb Says:

    stranger things have happened, all Obama had four years ago was a great speech, Palin will have three years as govenor, maybe four as senator and a great speech.

  61. knarlyknight Says:

    I think that if the almost autistically calm Mr. Obama went John-Belushi-over-the-top on this, his approval rating would reach 90 per cent before his tape hit YouTube.

    Obama’s a hell of a lot more presence than Palin will ever be. www .theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081121.wtart22/BNStory/Front/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

  62. shcb Says:

    I think you meant to say presidential, that may be true. But of course everyone has a different opinion of what it means to be presidential. I would prefer the Palin version, even if you are right and Palin is an idiot and it were someone else like her. I like that ah shucks sort of person. If you want to see someone who held up well under fire look at Palin, you expect your enemies to call you a house negro, it’s pretty easy to ignore them, but not the unbiased press to say your daughter is the mother of your child, unless they are the enemy, hmm. Anyway, I’m just saying she is as electable now as Obama was 4 years ago.

    I did like the article though. My fear is that as Tel Aviv is smoldering he will still be as cool, telling everyone to stay calm, we still have lots of cities left, only a few square miles were destroyed, our intelligence says Iran only had that one nuke, they really need that reactor to make electricity, it could be worse. And his approval ratings in the rest of the world will go even higher. How wonderful he is in asking Israel to refrain from retaliation, violence will just breed more violence. I hope I’ve underestimated the man.

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