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	<title>Comments on: Kahan on the Need for a Science Communication EPA</title>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-366162</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever feel claustrophobic in a tight crowd?  Here&#039;s a simple solution: start making retching sounds, loudly, then in a muffled-just-barely-holding-it-in voice &quot;gonna be sick!  look out!  sick! urrf!  gonna be sick!&quot;  The crowds part like magic.  

Another way to make crowd situations less tense is to moo loudly.  
Always gets a laugh, defuses things.

so wwnj, you have three guns, how many times do we have to repeat no one is coming in the black helicopters to take them away.  Although judging by your posts, you are mentally unbalanced and have decidely violent rhetoric (insert homey anecdote her, chuckle!  head pat)

If the laws change and your unregistered assault weapon is at that point illegal, you would be obligated to turn it in (in Australia the gov bought em back, a good investment imho).  If you don&#039;t turn it in and you use it, even to defend yourself, I would support mandatory sentencing for use of illegal guns.  Yes, even for self defense.  You don&#039;t need an assault weapon and full body armor to scare off a burglar.  

Just curious, but did you use the stock of your boomstick to savagely beat your dog?  You should be sure to put the safety on, wouldn&#039;t want any accidents to happen while you abuse your animals.  You should also consider taking the round out of the chamber.  Just some friendly suggestions for the next time you beat the crap out of your dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever feel claustrophobic in a tight crowd?  Here&#8217;s a simple solution: start making retching sounds, loudly, then in a muffled-just-barely-holding-it-in voice &#8220;gonna be sick!  look out!  sick! urrf!  gonna be sick!&#8221;  The crowds part like magic.  </p>
<p>Another way to make crowd situations less tense is to moo loudly.<br />
Always gets a laugh, defuses things.</p>
<p>so wwnj, you have three guns, how many times do we have to repeat no one is coming in the black helicopters to take them away.  Although judging by your posts, you are mentally unbalanced and have decidely violent rhetoric (insert homey anecdote her, chuckle!  head pat)</p>
<p>If the laws change and your unregistered assault weapon is at that point illegal, you would be obligated to turn it in (in Australia the gov bought em back, a good investment imho).  If you don&#8217;t turn it in and you use it, even to defend yourself, I would support mandatory sentencing for use of illegal guns.  Yes, even for self defense.  You don&#8217;t need an assault weapon and full body armor to scare off a burglar.  </p>
<p>Just curious, but did you use the stock of your boomstick to savagely beat your dog?  You should be sure to put the safety on, wouldn&#8217;t want any accidents to happen while you abuse your animals.  You should also consider taking the round out of the chamber.  Just some friendly suggestions for the next time you beat the crap out of your dog.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-366146</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...it&#039;d eliminate bank lineups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;it&#8217;d eliminate bank lineups.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365973</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had a gun.</description>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365918</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good for the NRA, I have 3 guns, none registered, no one is taking them from me... ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good for the NRA, I have 3 guns, none registered, no one is taking them from me&#8230; ever.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365915</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Iraq stat Knarly cited is only true if you add suicides</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365914</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this were 30 years ago and we were talking about smoking shcb would be arguing with talking points provided by the tobacco industry. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/why-does-the-nra-fear-the-truth-about-gun-violence-.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this were 30 years ago and we were talking about smoking shcb would be arguing with talking points provided by the tobacco industry. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/why-does-the-nra-fear-the-truth-about-gun-violence-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/why-does-the-nra-fear-the-truth-about-gun-violence-.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365888</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because people could shoot back!&quot;
nonsense
utter nonsense

Selected 2005 from that page because it easily answered the question.  homicides, suicides, suicides by gun.  A direct comparison.

But here is what debate has come to with wwnjs: you can&#039;t even do basic math.  Knarly put up a stat that happens to be, you know, true.  As in reality.  The first gulf war was less than 25 years ago.  It directly stated that was part of the comparison.  But you can&#039;t even parse simple factual statements.  This is less than that.  2+2=4

&lt;

Look it up.  

No one is going to take away your lil boomstick lil ricky, but there might be some common sense approaches we might want to try to reduce the likelihood of military grade weapons being used for yet another tragedy.  Just saying...

But your argument boils down to &quot;BOOM! ratatatat! scary! also, spanking!  because socialism!  durp&quot;

$10 sez Mrs Lanza was a Republican.  Current reports are that she was getting close to $250k a year in alimony (that puts the husband at around twice that?  mb less?)  She was a doomsday prepper (how many Ds or Is fall for that Glenn Beck bullshit?  no one.  zero.)  She had at least 4 guns.  She enjoyed shooty &#039;sports&#039; (but not hunting, I&#039;m ok with hunting sustainably and lawfully).  Her love of the wwnj gun culture got a lot of people killed.  Oh, wait, he was a vegan  (citation pls?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because people could shoot back!&#8221;<br />
nonsense<br />
utter nonsense</p>
<p>Selected 2005 from that page because it easily answered the question.  homicides, suicides, suicides by gun.  A direct comparison.</p>
<p>But here is what debate has come to with wwnjs: you can&#8217;t even do basic math.  Knarly put up a stat that happens to be, you know, true.  As in reality.  The first gulf war was less than 25 years ago.  It directly stated that was part of the comparison.  But you can&#8217;t even parse simple factual statements.  This is less than that.  2+2=4</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>Look it up.  </p>
<p>No one is going to take away your lil boomstick lil ricky, but there might be some common sense approaches we might want to try to reduce the likelihood of military grade weapons being used for yet another tragedy.  Just saying&#8230;</p>
<p>But your argument boils down to &quot;BOOM! ratatatat! scary! also, spanking!  because socialism!  durp&quot;</p>
<p>$10 sez Mrs Lanza was a Republican.  Current reports are that she was getting close to $250k a year in alimony (that puts the husband at around twice that?  mb less?)  She was a doomsday prepper (how many Ds or Is fall for that Glenn Beck bullshit?  no one.  zero.)  She had at least 4 guns.  She enjoyed shooty &#039;sports&#039; (but not hunting, I&#039;m ok with hunting sustainably and lawfully).  Her love of the wwnj gun culture got a lot of people killed.  Oh, wait, he was a vegan  (citation pls?)</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365878</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well sure, if it helps let&#039;s put more guns in the hands of lawful citizens. look at McCardle&#039;s graph &quot;assault deaths per 100k population&quot;, it is dropping, what happened to make it drop? The answer is concealed carry laws were liberalized. Enky says the number of deaths from firearm homicides in 2005 was 10,158, in 2011 there were 8,583 (FBI), Enky says there were 17,002 suicides by gun in 2005, in 2009 there were 18,735 (CDC). so we&#039;ve had an almost 15 percent drop in gun related homicides in those few years in large part because people could shoot back! The suicide rate is similar so that probably isn&#039;t going to change, if you take guns away the people bent on suicide will just find another method, and for the most part they aren&#039;t hurting anyone else, that is why you don&#039;t include the suicide number in these sensationalized statistics. 

Who cares what the ratio is between murders in America and the deaths of soldiers in Iraq, why not compare it to Gettysburg? Why not the first Gulf war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sure, if it helps let&#8217;s put more guns in the hands of lawful citizens. look at McCardle&#8217;s graph &#8220;assault deaths per 100k population&#8221;, it is dropping, what happened to make it drop? The answer is concealed carry laws were liberalized. Enky says the number of deaths from firearm homicides in 2005 was 10,158, in 2011 there were 8,583 (FBI), Enky says there were 17,002 suicides by gun in 2005, in 2009 there were 18,735 (CDC). so we&#8217;ve had an almost 15 percent drop in gun related homicides in those few years in large part because people could shoot back! The suicide rate is similar so that probably isn&#8217;t going to change, if you take guns away the people bent on suicide will just find another method, and for the most part they aren&#8217;t hurting anyone else, that is why you don&#8217;t include the suicide number in these sensationalized statistics. </p>
<p>Who cares what the ratio is between murders in America and the deaths of soldiers in Iraq, why not compare it to Gettysburg? Why not the first Gulf war?</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365856</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. I&#039;m looking forward to reading the wrong wing Christmas eve screed again too.  I&#039;m expecting something like a rant against some Obama conspiracy to undermine people who are against people who are fighting back against those rebelling against gun control because of spanking and socialism and terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I&#8217;m looking forward to reading the wrong wing Christmas eve screed again too.  I&#8217;m expecting something like a rant against some Obama conspiracy to undermine people who are against people who are fighting back against those rebelling against gun control because of spanking and socialism and terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365854</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The firearm homicide rate in the USA is virtually identical to that of Palestine and considerably worse than Khazakstan.  

And the wwnj answer is &quot;more guns!&quot; It would be funnier that so many Americans actually listen to those idiots if it wasn&#039;t also so sad and pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The firearm homicide rate in the USA is virtually identical to that of Palestine and considerably worse than Khazakstan.  </p>
<p>And the wwnj answer is &#8220;more guns!&#8221; It would be funnier that so many Americans actually listen to those idiots if it wasn&#8217;t also so sad and pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365811</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wwnj, you forgot the &quot;anything&quot;
place between the know and the period
there, fixed that for ya
hurf durf!

from wikipedia on gun violence in the US:

The incidence of homicides committed with a firearm in the US is much greater than most other advanced countries. In the United States in 2009 United Nations statistics record 3.0 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United Kingdom, with very restrictive firearm laws (handguns are totally prohibited, for example) was 0.07, about 40 times lower, and for Germany 0.2.[43]

For another comparison, Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, with somewhere between 1.2 to 3 million guns in the private residences of its approximately 8 million citizens. In 2006 there were 34 recorded murders or attempted murders with a gun, representing a firearm homicide rate of 1 per 250,000.[44]

facts is so dang lib!

hey wwnj are you going to post another Christmas eve barn burner?  (note, do not actually burn a barn)  Another raging screed of wrong wing nutter craziness that really puts us stoopid libs in our sheep-like place?  Why don&#039;t you just let all the racism, sexism, jingoism, stoopidism and so forth just flow (as usual).  It really says something when you take the time on Christmas eve to misspell another load of fucked-in-the-head wrong wing gibberish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwnj, you forgot the &#8220;anything&#8221;<br />
place between the know and the period<br />
there, fixed that for ya<br />
hurf durf!</p>
<p>from wikipedia on gun violence in the US:</p>
<p>The incidence of homicides committed with a firearm in the US is much greater than most other advanced countries. In the United States in 2009 United Nations statistics record 3.0 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United Kingdom, with very restrictive firearm laws (handguns are totally prohibited, for example) was 0.07, about 40 times lower, and for Germany 0.2.[43]</p>
<p>For another comparison, Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, with somewhere between 1.2 to 3 million guns in the private residences of its approximately 8 million citizens. In 2006 there were 34 recorded murders or attempted murders with a gun, representing a firearm homicide rate of 1 per 250,000.[44]</p>
<p>facts is so dang lib!</p>
<p>hey wwnj are you going to post another Christmas eve barn burner?  (note, do not actually burn a barn)  Another raging screed of wrong wing nutter craziness that really puts us stoopid libs in our sheep-like place?  Why don&#8217;t you just let all the racism, sexism, jingoism, stoopidism and so forth just flow (as usual).  It really says something when you take the time on Christmas eve to misspell another load of fucked-in-the-head wrong wing gibberish.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365807</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365780</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  Why does Mexico have such a high homicide rate?</description>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365775</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logic defies you guys doesn&#039;t it?</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365679</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool site enk. My first comparison: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/rate_of_gun_homicide/31,93,113,141,177,199,66</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool site enk. My first comparison: <a href="http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/rate_of_gun_homicide/31,93,113,141,177,199,66" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/rate_of_gun_homicide/31,93,113,141,177,199,66</a></p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365670</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reality based answer
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

In the United States
&lt;B&gt;annual firearm homicides total &lt;/B&gt;
2005: 10,158

&lt;B&gt;annual firearm suicides total &lt;/B&gt;
2005: 17,002  (out of 32,559 total suicides &#039;05)

wwnj answer: more guns!  hurf durf!  because spanking!  stoopid libs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reality based answer<br />
<a href="http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states</a></p>
<p>In the United States<br />
<b>annual firearm homicides total </b><br />
2005: 10,158</p>
<p><b>annual firearm suicides total </b><br />
2005: 17,002  (out of 32,559 total suicides &#8217;05)</p>
<p>wwnj answer: more guns!  hurf durf!  because spanking!  stoopid libs!</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365654</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So suicides with guns is somehow okay?  I thought Republicans were against suicides, even Dr. assisted suicides are a huge taboo in your wwnj culture.   Some consistency might help others to take you seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So suicides with guns is somehow okay?  I thought Republicans were against suicides, even Dr. assisted suicides are a huge taboo in your wwnj culture.   Some consistency might help others to take you seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2012/11/23/kahan-on-the-need-for-a-science-communication-epa/#comment-365612</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW I know :-)</description>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how many of those were suicide?</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
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		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NY Times: In past 6 months, more Americans killed by guns than COMBINED total of dead Yanks in Iraq, Afghan &amp; all terrorist acts of past 25 years.&quot;</description>
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