I’m failing to see how the lack of a spine on the Democrats’ part is proof that you are correct. The Democrats are useless and the Republicans are actively destructive.

Seriously, this fat blob of protoplasm addresses GOPr events all year round, but you are whining about how we abhor a hate radio giant (in girth if not in intellect) that is part of the right wing lamestream media? Weren’t you just posting about how great fauxnewts was due to their awesome ratings or something?

Funny how Buckley’s rule has been replaced by limpbaugh’s rule. Just vote for the most conservative candidate, even if putting the most extreme whackjobs and criminals (cough I’m looking at you ODonnell with your spending campaign money on rent, gas and bowling – google it) on the ballot means they are sure to lose.

Please someone, anyone please point out an issue of national or global import that wwnj here is, well, right? I don’t mean things like beer taste good or sky is blue, but rather that wwnj (and by extension the rest of the wack 20%ers) are actually right as in correct. On any issue confronting humanity in the early 21st C. I am sure there must be some overlap between reality and republicanism/conservawhackdoodlism/teabagger world views. I just can’t see it. I’d like to. Please help if you can think of anything or point to a post where reality and wwnj overlap, even if only a little.

thx

But the wwnj believes the science isn’t in (no matter how much science says this is real). Perhaps the science isn’t ‘in’ on the complete theory of gravity, but it still works. Mankind is remaking the planet with our activities and there are basically two groups on the issue: the group that says we’re doing perfectly fine! drill baby drill! and then you have the other group that says well it sure looks like we are influencing the climate in some undesirable ways, what can we do about that?

And really, bringing up your classic mud hut countries quote? Really? Why not just use the term you are thinking about: π!@@#& countries. Just get it off your chest. Scream it at your son-in-law, mutter it on the 57 crosstown bus, growl it every time you see a ding librl on the teevee. Just stop voting for right wing idiots, sit down for a few cycles, shut the f up and let the adults fix what you nutjobs are so earnestly breaking.

America can either cede the new green energy future to the Chinese, the Germans and the rest of the planet or we can lead the charge to stop using fossil fuels so much (which has a side benefit of defusing the wealth going to oil producing countries that hate western civilization).

shorter wwnj: hurf durf sociamalism!

Thank gawd that didn’t happend eh! :P

We understand basic science in this country too, we also understand politics and ecconomics, and we understand there is balance that has to be struck. Not everyone understands that, but many do.

Looks like its working.

You have to remember you’re living in a place where almost a third of your population thinks your president was born in another country because a few people spent a little bit of money spreading that message. Many people still believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 because they were told that over and over again, even though there was never any evidence to support it.

See what I’m getting at?

Point 1) yes it does, but how much does man contribute? (science) what can be done (science, politics) what should be done (politics)

Point 2) yes, but only by a small fraction, barely over 1998, the last ten years have been mostly level, with a high spike in 98, a low spike in the last couple years, and another spike this year, all normal in el/la nina events, but look at the actual data, it has been mostly flat. UAH looked at a number of different climatic lines over the last few decades and they are all fairly normal, with temps rising. We are coming out of a cooling period so that is to be expected.

“Record” only goes back to a little past the low point of the current cycle, so yes we are going to get warmer, until we get cooler. The “on record” is a little of a cheap trick.

All you have to do is look at the graphs and see it is primarily a natural thing, what study could I dig up that would convince you? None, It’s all there, you just have to look at it yourself. Co2 levels have continued to rise and temps have leveled off, they probably leveled off slightly higher if we didn’t have an increase in co2, but the co2 is just one small part of warming and cooling.

But even if you are right, even if the science is “in” (I was taught science is never complete) it still becomes a political question of what to do about it, I think there is enough science to not wreck ecconomies over the tiny impact it will make to the natural cycle, you don’t. I think the science in this small area of science has been corrupted by money, power, greed, and politics, you don’t. In any case the debate is more political than scientific at this point.

Also another scientific fact – we just had our warmest summer ever on record.

Again… if you, Rush and Sarah can show me some scientific evidence that this is just a “natural thing” come on with it.