NL – I just can’t imagine what kind of people would vote for that sort of scum.

Only the problem for the Conservatives here is that we have a system of government that enables us to hold our government more to account. These guys will one day be sitting in the House getting grilled over their conduct and cover ups, much like Tony Blair just went through. While George Bush was out golfing.

Wow.

BTW, that was a hard comment for me to make, brevity doesn’t come easy to me.

First Error: “I didn’t realize you were an anti-vaxxer…”

Reason: It’s a false assumption. I believe vaccinations have provided an enormous public good, far outweighing their negatives. Period. (You should not assume I am an anti-vaxxer because my posts revealed your patronizing comments to also be fallacious, e.g. you suggest that parents are vaccinating their kids far less now – but the CDC says that US vaccination rates for children are at or near record levels, since you did not defend your position at this point I will assume that the CDC is right and that you, JBC, are wrong.)

Second Error: “…in addition to the 911 truth thing.”

Reason: Lazy attempt to impune by association, rather than to deal with the information presented. Besides, since your first assumption was wrong in that I do favour the general social health policy of vaccinations, your making that link actually serves to malign the pro-vaccination camp (at least in this forum of 911 Truth deniers.)

Third error: “She’s wrong, and its obviuos that she’s wrong…”

Reason: She may be wrong on many things, and may come to a wrong / unsupportable general conclusion, but that does not mean she is wrong in all the details, especially important details. Consider that Guilliane Barr Syndrome is real. Swine flu vaccines in the 1970′s were an exception in that they did more harm than good. I don’t know if she talks about that, but is Jenny she wrong to suggest that caution is warranted and people should become informed about the precautions (i.e. at least read the warings provided by the vaccine manufacturers)? Here are some Jenny site quotes where she may be right:

“Questioning the safety of vaccines is a taboo topic in the United States and many other countries.”

You yourself proved that point JBC.

“Do not vaccinate if your child is taking antibiotics.”

“If your child has an adverse reaction to a vaccine, stop vaccinating until you learn more.”

“Always ask to see the vaccine insert, and never accept a vaccine that uses the preservative Thimerosal (mercury). For a complete list of vaccines with Thimerosal, see the FDA’s website here. Note: most flu shots today still contain Thimerosal.”

Fourth Error: Let’s save time & summarize.

Reason: Your reply contained nothing but simple-minded aspersions and vague assertions.

So we agree that vaccines are good. I give vaxs a qualified thumbs up and am interested in protecting my health health by closely watching what the medical megalith says (i.e. skepticism and greater scrutiny were the lessons to be learned from the thalidimide tragedy). You seem to be the cheerleading squad, and were I to cast aspersions I’d suggest it’s akin to your religous affinity to AGW, but that is not a fair comparison is it JBC, because of course you know you are right about AGW too because it is what “all” the “good” science says.

To contrast you and me again, when I see righteous group think my instinct is not to join in but rather to look to see if there are places where people are blinding themselves, or being blinded by others. Why? Mostly just cuz it’s interesting.

For instance, the statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) that mercury is no longer in childhood vaccinations:

AAPs position about mercury in vaccines is not accurate.

In the letter to ABC the AAP wrote: “No mercury is used as a preservative in routinely offered childhood vaccinations.”

Mercury is still in 16 vaccines including 5 pediatric vaccines such as 3 flu shots, the HEP-B and the DtaP.

At best, this is similar to saying:

“No caffeine is used in coffee as a preservative.”

It is in there, just not as a preservative. Parents are not concerned if mercury is in there as an adjuvant, or as manufacturing residue, or as an inexpensive antibacterial –they just want to know if it is in there. Not stating that mercury is in 5 vaccines used for pediatrics is considered, by many, as deceitful.

What could have been written is something like “Mercury has been removed from many routinely offered childhood vaccines.” Or “Childhood mercury exposure from vaccines has been reduce by 65%”
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From point # 5 on the alternative vaccination schedule at http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html

And of special note, this blurb on the Danish vaccination schedule: http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/danish.pdf

In this respect, they are not unlike global warming denialists. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy