http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rep-alan-grayson-responds-giuiliani-republ

the Rs have gone from bad, to worse, to insane
next stop: irrelevant

The Green Party makes presidential bids, but it rarely gets any meaning percent of the vote. I think its best year was 2000, when Nader received 2.74%. The US doesn’t really have a left-wing, at least in terms of national elections.

skip to 3:10 or so if you can’t stand listening to the rest of this drivel

and Stephanopolis says nothing
oh yeah, the media is ding ‘librl’

Rudy 9iu11iani – unchallenged liar

“We had no domestic attacks under Bush; we’ve had one under Obama,” Rudy Giuliani.

“We did not have a terrorist attack on our country during President Bush’s term,” Dana Perino.

We inherited a recession from President Clinton and we inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation’s history.” Mary Matalin.

Either they think their supporters really are complete idiots or they have a complete disregard for the truth.

Tell me, why in the world would you support a party that does this?

There is up here and it’s why we now have a right-wing (in our terms) Prime Minister even though his party only received 37% of the vote. Our vote on the left is being split between centre-left and a really-leftist party.

Take up from me (and knarly) shcb, it’s better to have a wide umbrella party than to have a really narrow one that pushes people out just because they may differ on one or two items.

from the US military dictionary at answers.com
n. 1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
2. (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism

lots of links here:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Really wwnj? People on the far right are talking about a left wing splinter group that is more popular than the D party at the moment? This splinter group brings guns to rallies? Organizes huge million + (snicker *60,000nutjobs* snicker) rallies in DC? Runs candidates anointed by the rebel leader who lose in districts the Ds have held since the civil war?

For the life of me I have no idea what that vociferous left-wing nutjob movement would be called. On the right you have Republicans and teabaggers and fundies (lets not forget the extreme wwnjs) tearing your much vaunted ‘unity’ to shreds, while to the left of you are the vast majority of normal people. Moderates, Independents, Liberals, Progressives, Sane People etc.

If you don’t see how your Party First attitude relates to fascism, then I can’t help you. I guess I should have known you didn’t know what you were talking about when you insisted that fascism is entirely defined by an economic system.

“these ideological voters tend to be single issue voters.”
Let’s go back a few posts:
“This happens with single issue voters that don’t understand politics, oh well.”
Hmmm….Don’t see “tend” there. You are trying to directly blame this one single issue voters because you don’t want to face the fact that the party is fracturing and losing ground with moderates due to an attempted take over by the theocratic monsters the party created. Backpedaling doesn’t work when there is a written record of your words.

You really don’t understand fascism at all, do you?

“ideological voters who tend to be single issue voters”

Palin and the other reactionaries raised far more than one issue when they were bitching about Scozzafava. Are you sure this issue isn’t too complicated for you? If you spin this any faster, I think we can use you to power the grid.

You are blaming this on “single-issue voters” while simultaneously asserting that her record, taken as a whole, is that of a leftist. So, is she only liberal on a single issue or does she have an overwhelmingly leftist record as you claimed previously?

She is slightly left of center on a whole and ideological voters who tend to be single issue voters wanted someone farther to the right, too far for that district, so they split the vote even though she dropped out and the Republicans lost. I’m not saying anything more than that, I’m not that complicated.

Did you read my post above about Steele? Of course we are split, both parties are split, there are always competing factions. The party isn’t falling apart any more than the Democrats, or any less. The party in power always looks like it is more unified because they are winning, that is natural. The party out of power always has competing groups that all think they have the answer to getting back in power, they don’t like each other but they dislike the other party more.

What does party trumps person have to do with fascism? It is just the practicality of two party system.

“party trumps person”
Wait, who is the fascist here?

I guess Dede didn’t please the wwnj extremists.

I love the wiki entry on Doug Hoffman (to wit)

“Tea party conservatives see the GOP loss as a victory for conservativism over mere political party loyalty.”

Got that? Losing a seat the Rs have held since the Civil War is ‘a victory for conservatism’. This just in: up is down, black is white and water is no longer wet. Have a nice day!

I hope you are including yourself in that assessment. Keep spinning, shcb. The facts don’t support you, but since when has that mattered?

As far as this NY thing goes, I’m looking at the candidates and races themselves and the backroom deals. I’m basing my assessment on the voting records of the candidates, their positions on issues and former employment. Also the history of that district and the state as a whole, not who campaigned for one of them or the other. If Ted Kennedy had campaigned for Joe Lieberman back in his heyday would that have made Joe a bleeding heart liberal? Of course not, there would have been a lot more history and more involved dynamics to the race than that. But you guys tend to boil these complex issues down to one or two buzzwords and run with it from there so this isn’t much of a surprise.