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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160643</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the stench is getting awful in here!
just hit the button for the next floor and we&#039;ll take the stairs
gak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the stench is getting awful in here!<br />
just hit the button for the next floor and we&#8217;ll take the stairs<br />
gak!</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160632</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep...dead as nationalized health care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep&#8230;dead as nationalized health care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160605</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do you smell something in this elevator?  phew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you smell something in this elevator?  phew!</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160604</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Yep…she’s doornails, folks…&quot;

Who crowned Lb as the decider of when a thread is doornails?  Besides, if I wanted to hear from an a$$hole I would have farted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Yep…she’s doornails, folks…&#8221;</p>
<p>Who crowned Lb as the decider of when a thread is doornails?  Besides, if I wanted to hear from an a$$hole I would have farted.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160598</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys should check out this morning&#039;s Diane Rehm show, which may be posted in the archives at NPR.org by now (or certainly by tomorrow.) some of the best analysis of this issue I&#039;ve heard thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys should check out this morning&#8217;s Diane Rehm show, which may be posted in the archives at NPR.org by now (or certainly by tomorrow.) some of the best analysis of this issue I&#8217;ve heard thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160596</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep...she&#039;s doornails, folks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230;she&#8217;s doornails, folks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160592</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THAT&quot;

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/barney-frank-confronts-woman-obama-hitler

I suppose this lady isn&#039;t using the word &quot;nazi&quot; despite what your ears actually hear?
They haven&#039;t actaully drawn little Hitler mustachios on Obama&#039;s picture?

One side is angry, wants confrontation and hates the Scary Kenyan Black Man in OUR White House. The other side wants to lower skyrocketing healthcare costs and cover all Americans. Is that clear enough for everyone?

Reality must be such a biotch for you wingnuts these days.

Let me put it in terms you can understand.  bush invaded a country based on a pack of lies.  There were no WMDs, there never were and wishing (or praying real hard) doesn&#039;t make it so.  bush squandered a couple trillion dollars on a counter-productive war of aggression (estimates so far range from $1T to $3T) over five years.  Obama wants to expand healthcare coverage and lower costs.  Possible expansion of healthcare to all Americans (a noble goal) might be $1T over ten years.  And for this he is Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one cryptoMuslim usurper.  

Indeed Barney, it is like arguing with the dining room table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THAT&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/barney-frank-confronts-woman-obama-hitler" rel="nofollow">http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/barney-frank-confronts-woman-obama-hitler</a></p>
<p>I suppose this lady isn&#8217;t using the word &#8220;nazi&#8221; despite what your ears actually hear?<br />
They haven&#8217;t actaully drawn little Hitler mustachios on Obama&#8217;s picture?</p>
<p>One side is angry, wants confrontation and hates the Scary Kenyan Black Man in OUR White House. The other side wants to lower skyrocketing healthcare costs and cover all Americans. Is that clear enough for everyone?</p>
<p>Reality must be such a biotch for you wingnuts these days.</p>
<p>Let me put it in terms you can understand.  bush invaded a country based on a pack of lies.  There were no WMDs, there never were and wishing (or praying real hard) doesn&#8217;t make it so.  bush squandered a couple trillion dollars on a counter-productive war of aggression (estimates so far range from $1T to $3T) over five years.  Obama wants to expand healthcare coverage and lower costs.  Possible expansion of healthcare to all Americans (a noble goal) might be $1T over ten years.  And for this he is Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one cryptoMuslim usurper.  </p>
<p>Indeed Barney, it is like arguing with the dining room table.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any more good responses, like NL&#039;s, or is this thread pretty much dead?</description>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a previous post I linked to this video  
http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160480

At the time I couldn&#039;t tell whether he was pro or anti, but I tended towards pro-reform.  Why?  Well look at all the people around him with pro-reform signs.  Everyone is smiling and shouting, waving their sings and peacefully demonstrating.  I don&#039;t see what the point of bringing a gun to a large gathering of people might be, other than intimidation.

Well it turns out this guy is very much anti-reform.  Very much.  Which makes the reaction of the pro-reform folks all the more interesting to me.  No one was shouting at him, no one pushed or shoved him (sure, sure, he&#039;d a broke out his gat and blasted the Evil Doer, so no stretch there).  There weren&#039;t pro-reform folks surrounding him with their guns (tho the police and secret service were nearby and watching him).  Now ask yourself this: if a pro-reform advocate walked to the other side of the road and started this kind of provocation, what would the result be?  If a anti-bush protestor had open-carried a AR-15 to a bush event, what do you think the result would have been?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA

&quot;Are you gonna water the tree of liberty, heh heh.&quot;   I like how the elderly guy is just quietly questioning this lunatic and shaking his head.  

If this nutter wants to live in a place without laws, healthcare, taxes or government, he should move to Somalia.  buh bye

extra wingnut points for the big sign at the beginning that says VACCINES = POISON (stupid beyond words)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a previous post I linked to this video<br />
<a href="http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160480" rel="nofollow">http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160480</a></p>
<p>At the time I couldn&#8217;t tell whether he was pro or anti, but I tended towards pro-reform.  Why?  Well look at all the people around him with pro-reform signs.  Everyone is smiling and shouting, waving their sings and peacefully demonstrating.  I don&#8217;t see what the point of bringing a gun to a large gathering of people might be, other than intimidation.</p>
<p>Well it turns out this guy is very much anti-reform.  Very much.  Which makes the reaction of the pro-reform folks all the more interesting to me.  No one was shouting at him, no one pushed or shoved him (sure, sure, he&#8217;d a broke out his gat and blasted the Evil Doer, so no stretch there).  There weren&#8217;t pro-reform folks surrounding him with their guns (tho the police and secret service were nearby and watching him).  Now ask yourself this: if a pro-reform advocate walked to the other side of the road and started this kind of provocation, what would the result be?  If a anti-bush protestor had open-carried a AR-15 to a bush event, what do you think the result would have been?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Are you gonna water the tree of liberty, heh heh.&#8221;   I like how the elderly guy is just quietly questioning this lunatic and shaking his head.  </p>
<p>If this nutter wants to live in a place without laws, healthcare, taxes or government, he should move to Somalia.  buh bye</p>
<p>extra wingnut points for the big sign at the beginning that says VACCINES = POISON (stupid beyond words)</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160543</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s a genuine answer - thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: NorthernLite</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160541</link>
		<dc:creator>NorthernLite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LB, I would say that as a single professional you could benefit from all Americans having health care. As it is now, people just crowd emergency rooms and the tab is picked up by the tax-payer anyways. And the uninsured usually end up delaying routine things until they balloon into something worse, and much more expensive.

But I guess it all depends on your social philosophy. I too am a single professional and there&#039;s a push in our country to start a national child-care program, similar to our health-care system. As a single guy with no kids (that I know of ;) I really wouldn&#039;t have a direct benefit but I know that giving all children the best start possible is in my country&#039;s best interest, so I want to see this happen.

But again, I think it depends on your views on these types of programs. I consider myself a progressive conservative, but I know that hard-core conservatives and those more to the right of me see this child-care program as more government intervention and those that can afford their own child-care don&#039;t want to subsidize those who can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB, I would say that as a single professional you could benefit from all Americans having health care. As it is now, people just crowd emergency rooms and the tab is picked up by the tax-payer anyways. And the uninsured usually end up delaying routine things until they balloon into something worse, and much more expensive.</p>
<p>But I guess it all depends on your social philosophy. I too am a single professional and there&#8217;s a push in our country to start a national child-care program, similar to our health-care system. As a single guy with no kids (that I know of ;) I really wouldn&#8217;t have a direct benefit but I know that giving all children the best start possible is in my country&#8217;s best interest, so I want to see this happen.</p>
<p>But again, I think it depends on your views on these types of programs. I consider myself a progressive conservative, but I know that hard-core conservatives and those more to the right of me see this child-care program as more government intervention and those that can afford their own child-care don&#8217;t want to subsidize those who can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160540</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know that if a seagull were hit by a passenger airliner flying 600 mph with a 67 degree angle of approach that its poop wouldn&#039;t burn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that if a seagull were hit by a passenger airliner flying 600 mph with a 67 degree angle of approach that its poop wouldn&#8217;t burn?</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...all washed down with a tall cup of Starbuck&#039;s coffee. Did you know that if you hold an empty Starbuck&#039;s cup upside down next to mirror and count to five sideways, you&#039;ll see a 3D hologram of Crosby Stills and Nash praying to Satan in the dressing room of the Fillmore East in 1970?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;all washed down with a tall cup of Starbuck&#8217;s coffee. Did you know that if you hold an empty Starbuck&#8217;s cup upside down next to mirror and count to five sideways, you&#8217;ll see a 3D hologram of Crosby Stills and Nash praying to Satan in the dressing room of the Fillmore East in 1970?</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160535</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Menu at Lb&#039;s house:

Breakfast: Seagull poop

Lunch: Seagull poop

Dinner: Seagull poop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Menu at Lb&#8217;s house:</p>
<p>Breakfast: Seagull poop</p>
<p>Lunch: Seagull poop</p>
<p>Dinner: Seagull poop</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160534</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42 responses, only a handful of which even try to say anything of substance at all. Now that really IS a lot of hot air wasted on something that&#039;s not going to happen anyway...yay us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42 responses, only a handful of which even try to say anything of substance at all. Now that really IS a lot of hot air wasted on something that&#8217;s not going to happen anyway&#8230;yay us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160532</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lies, Inky? Lies you have told about me, perhaps, but anyone who has visited this blog for any period of time knows what I&#039;m talking about, or has been subject to similar treatment. That&#039;s probably why nobody but SHCB and I are the only ones who seem to pay any attention to you. Kind of funny how this thread of yours set dormant for two days until I posted something, then SHCB posted something, and then the thread took off.

Kept me busy for half an hour? You forget, I can type a lot faster than you do, that&#039;s why I have so much less trouble spelling simple words, such as &quot;moron&quot; correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies, Inky? Lies you have told about me, perhaps, but anyone who has visited this blog for any period of time knows what I&#8217;m talking about, or has been subject to similar treatment. That&#8217;s probably why nobody but SHCB and I are the only ones who seem to pay any attention to you. Kind of funny how this thread of yours set dormant for two days until I posted something, then SHCB posted something, and then the thread took off.</p>
<p>Kept me busy for half an hour? You forget, I can type a lot faster than you do, that&#8217;s why I have so much less trouble spelling simple words, such as &#8220;moron&#8221; correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160531</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey look lefty discovered wikipedia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey look lefty discovered wikipedia!</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
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		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NL 
One might also note that Dr Hawking was 21 when he was afflicted with the first signs of his motor neuron disease.  He had NHS when he was a baby, a child and as an independent adult.  The facts are all on one side, while the foolishness is all on the other of this one folks.  Point to the rational people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NL<br />
One might also note that Dr Hawking was 21 when he was afflicted with the first signs of his motor neuron disease.  He had NHS when he was a baby, a child and as an independent adult.  The facts are all on one side, while the foolishness is all on the other of this one folks.  Point to the rational people.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/08/12/healthcare-hyperbole-to-maximum/#comment-160529</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, Hawking wasn&#039;t diagnosed with Lou Gehrig&#039;s Disease until he was 21 years old, by which time his father had been enstated at the National instituteover two decades before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, Hawking wasn&#8217;t diagnosed with Lou Gehrig&#8217;s Disease until he was 21 years old, by which time his father had been enstated at the National instituteover two decades before.</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
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		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol 
you can&#039;t shoot straight can you (note, not a question)
all those things you accuse me of saying about you are - of course - lies
at least it kept you busy for half an hour

angry?  I just pointed out the logical fallacy of someone who says (and I quote exactly from his own words) “to be honest, I haven’t heard anyone on the right use the word fascist to describe this health care debate” when he uses the term fascist 3 times and fascism 4 times.  So is math liberal now too?  Facts is liberal, but now math is too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol<br />
you can&#8217;t shoot straight can you (note, not a question)<br />
all those things you accuse me of saying about you are &#8211; of course &#8211; lies<br />
at least it kept you busy for half an hour</p>
<p>angry?  I just pointed out the logical fallacy of someone who says (and I quote exactly from his own words) “to be honest, I haven’t heard anyone on the right use the word fascist to describe this health care debate” when he uses the term fascist 3 times and fascism 4 times.  So is math liberal now too?  Facts is liberal, but now math is too?</p>
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