Fox News Says Something Fair and Balanced

From the “Man Bites Dog” department:

I’m (obviously) not much of a Fox News watcher. Those of you who are: Is this typical behavior for Shepard Smith?

33 Responses to “Fox News Says Something Fair and Balanced”

  1. Steve Says:

    I’ve seen clips of Shepard Smith standing firm on some basic principles before. He’s very angry about torture too.

    It’s not that all conservatives are insane, it’s just that the majority of sane conservatives have been blackballed by the RWNJ clique that runs the Republican party.

  2. ymatt Says:

    Yes, he’s like that.

  3. WebDev5555 Says:

    There’s a few videos of Shepard Smith going nuts about torture that were making the rounds on reddit a couple weeks ago.

    Let me see if I can find a couple:

  4. shcb Says:

    That is pretty much Shepherd Smith. I don’t watch his show much, it’s on at the wrong time for my schedule and it is a little too much of an Entertainment Tonight format for my taste. I don’t know if Shep is conservative or liberal, I always assumed he was somewhat liberal since he thinks with his emotions, this was most evident during his Katrina reporting.

    So let me get this straight, the right wing and Fox news in particular are sooo biased and keep any dissenting voice from being heard and yet here we have a definite liberal and an emotionally charged host (who has been on Fox as long I can remember) against one lowly conservative. Of course to have made it a fair fight you would have had to have put a couple more Fox liberals into the fight, say Greta and Rivera, to make it fight against May.

    Since we are talking fair and balanced, why did the editors of this film strip cut so much of May’s comments? So we have these stories of teachers in public schools berating students for watching Fox News, congress talking about the fairness doctrine, and selective editing on and conservatives are the censurers?

  5. shcb Says:

    …to make it fair against May

  6. knarlyknight Says:


    If I recall correctly you were relying heavily on Fox and other wrong wing sources in vehemently defending Israeli rights to fire on the UN school in Gaza. Are they now apologizing for parroting mis-statements from the IDF about the incident with proper vetting and disclaimers? Thought not.

    Just file the following excerpt from that article as one more thing you won’t see on Fox:

    The board called on Israel to publicly retract assertions that Palestinians had fired from within the premises of a U.N.-run school and a U.N. relief office. Israeli officials said they had already done so in their military inquiry.

  7. knarlyknight Says:

    not “with proper vetting…” rather have been “without proper vetting…”

  8. shcb Says:

    So what does this have to do with Fox? Were they not accurately reporting the story at the time?

  9. knarlyknight Says:

    Oh, sorry I was stretching the Fox angle, the point is not so much to do with Fox in particular as it has to do with YOUR information sources being WHACKED.

  10. enkidu Says:

    the GOP image makeover is really hitting its stride!

  11. shcb Says:

    Are you sure it is my sources or my take on those sources? I’m not being coy here, I think it is an interesting tangent. A source like Fox with a pro American, pro Israel bias may give an accurate account saying the IDF said they were being shot at from the school and the Palestinians say they weren’t, another group with a, less pro American/Israel bias, say Reuters, gives the same information but changes the order or who said what or gives more importance to one side or the other. Neither is less accurate than the other, just biased. Enter the third party, me or you. We put our own spin and emphasis on the story, mix in something else we have heard or read and suddenly the news agency is at fault. I try very hard to always separate my criticisms of either you guys or the story we are discussing, sometimes I fail. I don’t think you guys really try very hard to separate those things. We see right here that JBC doesn’t even know that Shep exists or how much he agrees with Shep on a daily basis, he has the Walter Cronkite time slot for Christ’s sake. And yet JBC thinks Fox is total garbage and completely one sided. Does NBC or CBS have a conservative as Juan Williams is a liberal on their shows on a regular basis? Do they have a conservative anchor to the degree that Shepherd Smith is a liberal? It’s not a perfect world but Fox does a better job of mixing it up than the other networks.

  12. NorthernLite Says:

    So people who are against torture, unjustified invasions, etc. are not ‘pro American’?

    Wow, you’ve really learned nothing from your electoral beatings have you?

    Great, keep it up.

  13. shcb Says:

    They may or may not be pro or anti American, those items really don’t have anything to do with being pro or anti American. The people who are anti American were before the events you are describing took place.

  14. knarlyknight Says:

    shcb seems to be saying that committing torture and invading soveriegn nations without proper justification is NOT anathema to American values.

    Makes me wonder what all the World War II fuss was about, shcb sounds like he’d have been just as happy to have had a National Socialist German Workers’ Party or Emperor Hirohito in charge rather than the Bush administration. I guess there wasn’t that much of a difference.

  15. knarlyknight Says:

    “Pro-American” conduct per shcb:

    A simple fact is being overlooked in the Bush-era torture scandal: the number of cases in which detainees have been tortured to death. Abuse did not only involve the high-profile cases of smashing detainees into plywood barriers (“walling”), confinement in coffin-like boxes with insects, sleep deprivation, cold, and waterboarding. To date approximately 100 detainees, including CIA-held detainees, have died during U.S. interrogations, and some are known to have been tortured to death.

    A review of homicide cases, however, shows that few detainee deaths have been properly investigated. Many were not investigated at all. And no official investigation has looked into the connection between detainee deaths and the interrogation policies promulgated by the Bush administration.

  16. shcb Says:

    I don’t see that I said anything like that but it won’t matter, you’ll go on and on like I did.

  17. shcb Says:

    this is kind of interesting

  18. enkidu Says:

    what… another pantload media link?
    typical wwnj propaganda
    Torture is your friend!
    Torture is good for you!
    Even our allies did it in WWII!
    If the President does it, it’s not illegal!

    Just keep digging that hole deeper and in no time you GOOPers will be at 5%
    Heck of a job lil ricki!

  19. shcb Says:

    I’m shocked! I thought you guys would be all over this. The president lying to the American people on TV of all places. I thought the manifesto was to ferret out lying politicians no mater their stripes. I figured all you comrades that have been independent voters all your lives wouldn’t stand for a lying Democrat any more than a lying Republican. Let’s hear some outrage!

  20. knarlyknight Says:

    Yea shcb, you and Mr. Pyjamas have done a great job of demonstrating that a president should not quote Churchill: Churchill’s words just can’t be trusted.

    However, this cabby, well, his words are shocking (especially at the end when he thinks the camera is off…)

  21. shcb Says:

    Here is an interview with Cliff and John Stewart. This is the uncut version so it is fairly long, if you don’t watch the whole thing at least watch the last couple minutes. Cliff said that he really enjoyed this interview, even though he knew he was going into the belly of the beast. He even said he would go on Stewart’s show again. If your delicate sensibilities won’t allow you to go to Cliff’s site, he said Stewart has it on his site as well.

  22. enkidu Says:

    OK, I’ll play.

    So you link to a hard right opinion source.
    In the article (btw – I bet you didn’t read it, of course, why start now, eh?) they describe the British WWII interrogation methods. The official sanctioned interrogation methods worked very well indeed. No torture, just patient questioning, and little or no coercive treatment. The article also insinuates, but doesn’t in any way back up, the allegations that some bad stuff took place at another location in England. Since the detention center had spies in it, the red cross wasn’t allowed in and official records are murky or debatable at best. They might have used (cue dramatic music!) sleep deprivation… and… chores!

    The article quotes one journalist who calls it “systematic ill-treatment” and a “torture centre”. Well, since they don’t link to the use of those quotes, one can almost guarantee that they were taken out of context. Then it makes the laughable assumption that Christopher Hitchens (drunk) certainly does know about both internment camps. Errrr, how in the world do they know that Hitch knows that? Talk about a leap of faith, an a priori position that must be buttressed with bullshit.

    Look il ricki, I know you think you are a smart and wise old white father jes like the foundin fathers (sorry threw up in my mouth a bit there), but you just can’t tell the difference between state sanctioned torture (you know the er, Nazis? dumbya) and state sanctioned interrogation (the Brits, the US pre-dumbya junta). If Bill Clinton had done these things, you would be bellowing your death threats and dumbfuckery from the rooftops.

    You folks need to sit down, stfu and take your lumps. Then come back with the principles you cast aside so willingly so long ago. Then maybe you’ll grow the party. Personally I think you idiots are done. As in done it to yourselves.

    Good riddance.

  23. shcb Says:

    Why would I be commenting on it if I hadn’t read it? You’ve missed the whole point of the article and my tongue in cheek comment, the President made a big deal out of England not torturing people, if this story is true, they did, at least by the definition of torture you guys are using. And then Hitchens is using the same arguments. Nothing more.

  24. enkidu Says:

    If it is true, but since you take any hard right source as gospel, you don’t bother to check, there aren’t any links or references, just a bunch of wwnj opinion. You aren’t even bothering to ‘debate’ where those techniques are torture. It is a pretty well established fact that we tortured Bad Guys under gwb, even wwnjs can’t torture logic so as to make it just some light hazing or hijinx. It is torture. Now decide if you want to uphold the Law or if your partisan ends should trump any other consideration (I think we all know the answer, whether you admit it or not)

    Look lil ricki, I know how bad you wwnjs want to slam Obama (for example Hannity’s screed about how Obama put mustard on a hamburger!?!?!?! talk about partisan bullshit), but I really think the Rs would have a better chance of recovering and returning to your principals (ha!) if extremist nutbags like you would just shut the fuck up for a few years. Seriously, you are doing way more harm than good.

    Oh and for a head shaking mind numbing laugh, check out Hanutty’s “Tree of Liberty” schtick. Right. We’re left with “the collective crate of Socialism…” lol


    kerplop! (see ya know fox is a lying buncha bastages since they done left out the kerplop! ;-)

    ps – did you know that many wwnjs think Colbert is a real conservative? rather than a comedian making fun of a know nothing conservative pundit? Yes, ladies and gentlemen, many conservatives really are… well… morans. Facts is so darn liberal!

  25. NorthernLite Says:

    Hey enk:

    Here’s a great recipe for Deviled Eggs!

    12 large eggs, boiled hard and peeled 1 Tbsp (plus) soft butter 1 Tbsp (plus) mayonnaise 1 Tbsp Dijon mustard 1/2 tsp Yucatan Sunshine Habanero sauce Salt to taste…

    I can’t the credit for it though, I actually stole the recipe from here:

    LOL, Hannity is such an idiot.

  26. enkidu Says:

    lol, brilliant!
    those deviled eggs will be delicious with my FREEDOM FRIES!!1!!!1!!

    I never put ketchup on burgers or brats, either yeller mustard or that fancy socialist kind, mmm hmm.

    I like my fries with aioli sauce (mayo with garlic, roasted and/or raw) Spanish style (ze French add their socialist condiment to the mix, zoot alore!)

  27. shcb Says:

    So, did anyone watch the Stewart /May piece

  28. enkidu Says:

    I watched it when it aired, watched the unedited show when it was available (next day? day after?) Watched it again this AM… your point?

    shcb you must feel Mr May is quite the pansy: he *says* he is against torture!!!
    But doesn’t want anyone to talk about it, doesn’t want prosecutions (neither does JS) and wants to pretend this is an episode of 24 and we are the Good Guys.

    I love how many times he pretends Jon holds ridiculous extreme positions. Strawman much?

    wwnjs: any means, any method
    normal Americans: we have morals and ideals

  29. enkidu Says:

    that should be
    wwnj: any means, any end
    (he’s the President! OBEY! except when it’s a D pres, then make lots of jokes about lynchings, secession, armed rebellion and various ill-informed comparisons to fascists and communists. All the while ignoring the enormous mess the R pres made of it and dodging any and all responsibility).

  30. NorthernLite Says:

    I actually had my girlfriend make some of “Georeg and Laura’s Potatoe Salad” this past weekend for a Mother’s Day b-b-q and it was actually really good! The dijion made all the difference…

  31. knarlyknight Says:

    “What Cheney and everyone forgets is that, after the 1993 World Trade Center Bombings, there were no further attacks on American soil. About 7 yrs. No water boarding necessary…”

  32. shcb Says:

    Uss Cole
    Kohbar Towers
    US Embassy Attacks
    Bali Nightclub Attacks…………………

  33. shcb Says:

    ….and there was a little ruckus in NYC in the fall of 2001, but that wasn’t a big deal

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