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		<title>By: NorthernLite</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143199</link>
		<dc:creator>NorthernLite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the &quot;Rickyisms&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3QHoqfhX8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the &#8220;Rickyisms&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3QHoqfhX8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3QHoqfhX8</a></p>
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		<title>By: NorthernLite</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143198</link>
		<dc:creator>NorthernLite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen every single episode of the Trailer Park Boys - I love that show. Make sure you watch the Canadian versions of the episodes, as I believe when it was re-broadcasted in the US it was stripped of a lot of the good stuff. Also, try to start at Season 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen every single episode of the Trailer Park Boys &#8211; I love that show. Make sure you watch the Canadian versions of the episodes, as I believe when it was re-broadcasted in the US it was stripped of a lot of the good stuff. Also, try to start at Season 1.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143197</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP Boys has its moments, many are hilarious but haven&#039;t watched much because when it&#039;s bad it is too bad to sit through.  For a taste of the Canadian culture that I grew up with, nothing beats Bob and Doug McKenzie, lots of guys in my high school were bigger hosers than Bob and Doug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP Boys has its moments, many are hilarious but haven&#8217;t watched much because when it&#8217;s bad it is too bad to sit through.  For a taste of the Canadian culture that I grew up with, nothing beats Bob and Doug McKenzie, lots of guys in my high school were bigger hosers than Bob and Doug.</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143194</link>
		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knarls, NL
I just found a link to the Trailer Park Boys from Cañada via boingboing.net
that is some seriously weird stuff u wacky Yonkees be gettin up to =)

I&#039;ve only seen clips so far, but it looks good (might have to trrnt the first few shows to see if I can buy it down here in Dumfarkistan)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knarls, NL<br />
I just found a link to the Trailer Park Boys from Cañada via boingboing.net<br />
that is some seriously weird stuff u wacky Yonkees be gettin up to =)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only seen clips so far, but it looks good (might have to trrnt the first few shows to see if I can buy it down here in Dumfarkistan)</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143073</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but your comment tempered his nicely. I agree for the most part, I don’t think Smith was as anti regulation as Jayson is making it sound, and I wouldn’t call Rand a conservative, more libertarian. But that is a bit nitpicky for a good post. I’m not sure it relates to my article but we seem to have moved past that. I’m off to get some of that brown liquid and then I have a date with the Le Hussard tonight, final planking the starboard side tonight, and tomorrow, and tomorrow’s tomorrow…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but your comment tempered his nicely. I agree for the most part, I don’t think Smith was as anti regulation as Jayson is making it sound, and I wouldn’t call Rand a conservative, more libertarian. But that is a bit nitpicky for a good post. I’m not sure it relates to my article but we seem to have moved past that. I’m off to get some of that brown liquid and then I have a date with the Le Hussard tonight, final planking the starboard side tonight, and tomorrow, and tomorrow’s tomorrow…</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143056</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shcb - especially good from Jayson... and to think that just 5 days ago he was wobbling around NE Ohio on a bicycle drinking a brown liquor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shcb &#8211; especially good from Jayson&#8230; and to think that just 5 days ago he was wobbling around NE Ohio on a bicycle drinking a brown liquor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143055</link>
		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good comments guys</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143054</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decent commentary here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090323.wcowent24/BNStory/Front  concludes with this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I hate the idea of governments trying to manage by imposing pay caps. I&#039;m horrified at the demagogues determined to seize innocent people&#039;s bonus cheques. Bloodlust and mass hysteria are never a pretty sight. But when you mix toxic debt and toxic compensation with public outrage, the results are bound to be explosive. &quot;Whenever an undesirable impact is not prevented by [business], it ultimately boomerangs,&quot; Peter Drucker said. &quot;It leads to regulation, to punitive laws, and to outside interference.&quot;

Too bad the business elites didn&#039;t pay attention.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent commentary here: <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090323.wcowent24/BNStory/Front" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090323.wcowent24/BNStory/Front</a>  concludes with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I hate the idea of governments trying to manage by imposing pay caps. I&#8217;m horrified at the demagogues determined to seize innocent people&#8217;s bonus cheques. Bloodlust and mass hysteria are never a pretty sight. But when you mix toxic debt and toxic compensation with public outrage, the results are bound to be explosive. &#8220;Whenever an undesirable impact is not prevented by [business], it ultimately boomerangs,&#8221; Peter Drucker said. &#8220;It leads to regulation, to punitive laws, and to outside interference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too bad the business elites didn&#8217;t pay attention.
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		<title>By: J.A.Y.S.O.N.</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143053</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.Y.S.O.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article agrees with me, actually.</description>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143052</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome read Jayson, thanks.  The answer of course is where the line is drawn.  Attaining an acceptible balance of regulation without being overly oppressive is the difficult part, as there is no simple answer.  Some people will want lots of regulation for &quot;protection&quot;, others are more trusting of the morality and good will of those who might otherwise be subject to regulation.  And accepted morality or the socially acceptible excesses of a corporate culture may shift over time as different players become involved, suggesting there is always a need for certain safeguards for the public in the future even at times when businesses appear to be on their best behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome read Jayson, thanks.  The answer of course is where the line is drawn.  Attaining an acceptible balance of regulation without being overly oppressive is the difficult part, as there is no simple answer.  Some people will want lots of regulation for &#8220;protection&#8221;, others are more trusting of the morality and good will of those who might otherwise be subject to regulation.  And accepted morality or the socially acceptible excesses of a corporate culture may shift over time as different players become involved, suggesting there is always a need for certain safeguards for the public in the future even at times when businesses appear to be on their best behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.Y.S.O.N.</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143051</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.Y.S.O.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a pretty good article, but it underscores a fundamental failure of understanding of the need for regulation.

&quot;American capitalism has flourished despite being subjected to repeated restrictions by disgruntled legislators. Consider the transformation. In 1889, there was no anti-trust law (1890), no corporate income tax (1909), no Securities and Exchange Commission (1934) and no Environmental Protection Agency (1970).&quot;

What I find disturbing about this paragraph is the failure to realize that those particular regulatory periods were both positive and necessary. All that legislation came to pass because business and business leaders failed to act wisely and caused a great deal of human suffering and environmental damage. 

&quot;We have subordinated unrestrained profit-seeking to other values.&quot; This is only correct. Profit over other values demonstrates a frightening lack of wisdom and any moral center.

&quot;through taxes, laws and regulations -- weaken the profit motive and interfere with markets&quot; This is true, however we have a clear historical record of the damage that the motive for profit causes when it is unrestrained and ungoverned.

The issue I have is that when conservatives speak in defense of capitalism it is always a euphemism for the the One True Capitalism that is completely free of restraints and regulations, based on the Wealth of Nations. I am personally very tired of this, because we should have enough evidence that lassiez-faire is a colossal failure where the rubber meets the road. Wealth of Nations is predicated on his earlier work, The Theory of Moral Sentiments where, in summary, he states that 80% of people are nice and moral.

Smith failed to realize one crucial thing, its other 20% that are the ones that really really want a &quot;free&quot; market. If you could send Smith a copy of anything by Rand or Neitzche, he&#039;d have revised his own theory, after all an Atlas or ubermensch doesn&#039;t have to follow any of our silly rules, because they&#039;re a superior being their actions are self-justifying. (Although I&#039;d wager it&#039;s not that complex for most of these people.)

This is a sad joke. It&#039;s always said that markets will regulate themselves, yet we have a preponderance of historical evidence that they do not. If one was to suggest that we forgo criminal law, that communities would regulate themselves, perhaps through vigilantism, no one would want to accept this. There are always individuals who&#039;s motive for profit (or motive for other malfeasance) will cause them act in a manner that is destructive for others. This is why we have criminal law, it is an attempt through regulation and resultant penalty to disincentivize destructive actions. 

It is only logical that governments would legislate to prevent destructive actions in an economic system, just as they do in other aspects of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a pretty good article, but it underscores a fundamental failure of understanding of the need for regulation.</p>
<p>&#8220;American capitalism has flourished despite being subjected to repeated restrictions by disgruntled legislators. Consider the transformation. In 1889, there was no anti-trust law (1890), no corporate income tax (1909), no Securities and Exchange Commission (1934) and no Environmental Protection Agency (1970).&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find disturbing about this paragraph is the failure to realize that those particular regulatory periods were both positive and necessary. All that legislation came to pass because business and business leaders failed to act wisely and caused a great deal of human suffering and environmental damage. </p>
<p>&#8220;We have subordinated unrestrained profit-seeking to other values.&#8221; This is only correct. Profit over other values demonstrates a frightening lack of wisdom and any moral center.</p>
<p>&#8220;through taxes, laws and regulations &#8212; weaken the profit motive and interfere with markets&#8221; This is true, however we have a clear historical record of the damage that the motive for profit causes when it is unrestrained and ungoverned.</p>
<p>The issue I have is that when conservatives speak in defense of capitalism it is always a euphemism for the the One True Capitalism that is completely free of restraints and regulations, based on the Wealth of Nations. I am personally very tired of this, because we should have enough evidence that lassiez-faire is a colossal failure where the rubber meets the road. Wealth of Nations is predicated on his earlier work, The Theory of Moral Sentiments where, in summary, he states that 80% of people are nice and moral.</p>
<p>Smith failed to realize one crucial thing, its other 20% that are the ones that really really want a &#8220;free&#8221; market. If you could send Smith a copy of anything by Rand or Neitzche, he&#8217;d have revised his own theory, after all an Atlas or ubermensch doesn&#8217;t have to follow any of our silly rules, because they&#8217;re a superior being their actions are self-justifying. (Although I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s not that complex for most of these people.)</p>
<p>This is a sad joke. It&#8217;s always said that markets will regulate themselves, yet we have a preponderance of historical evidence that they do not. If one was to suggest that we forgo criminal law, that communities would regulate themselves, perhaps through vigilantism, no one would want to accept this. There are always individuals who&#8217;s motive for profit (or motive for other malfeasance) will cause them act in a manner that is destructive for others. This is why we have criminal law, it is an attempt through regulation and resultant penalty to disincentivize destructive actions. </p>
<p>It is only logical that governments would legislate to prevent destructive actions in an economic system, just as they do in other aspects of society.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Jayson, I’m a little befuddled at how you can stand by your points when they were all based on a false assumption, I’m not surprised the other two are still following. Odd, very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Jayson, I’m a little befuddled at how you can stand by your points when they were all based on a false assumption, I’m not surprised the other two are still following. Odd, very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a piece that explains it better than I:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/american_capitalism_besieged.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a piece that explains it better than I:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/american_capitalism_besieged.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/american_capitalism_besieged.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
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		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis Jayson, thanks for the summary / opinions thus saving me the trouble of reading it... 

That was a week response shcb.   It&#039;s better to fix things right (e.g. repair the severed artery) than to do the expedient thing (e.g. throw more bandages on the gash). 

You say &quot;hampering&quot;, isn&#039;t that what one does with dirty laundry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis Jayson, thanks for the summary / opinions thus saving me the trouble of reading it&#8230; </p>
<p>That was a week response shcb.   It&#8217;s better to fix things right (e.g. repair the severed artery) than to do the expedient thing (e.g. throw more bandages on the gash). </p>
<p>You say &#8220;hampering&#8221;, isn&#8217;t that what one does with dirty laundry?</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately it is hampering the short term recovery that we need right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it is hampering the short term recovery that we need right now.</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.Y.S.O.N.</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-143037</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.Y.S.O.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ve read the article on the theoretical bonus regulations.

My basic 5 points still stand. You can add &#039;will go before&#039; 

This is ultimately a logical end based on the chain of events. There is a CEO bonus culture that doesn&#039;t actually seem to be relative to the success or failure of a given financial institution. In the financial sector, the desire for bonuses has led to egregious behavior that has resulted in worldwide financial panic. This is typically how our system works. Failure to exercise freedom in a responsible manner leads to legislation that attempts to de-incentivize unwise choices.

The individuals who may be subject to this potential legislation are not Andrew Carnegie building America into a manufacturing powerhouse. They lack the patriotism/nationalism of the great &#039;titans of industry&#039; of days gone by and the desire to even whitewash their legacies and be remembered as great men. For the most part, they just seem to want the money and have zero regard for the consequences of any actions they take to get it.

Still this doesn&#039;t bother me. If its a tremendous failure it&#039;ll either be ruled as unconstitutional or be rescinded as law by a future administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve read the article on the theoretical bonus regulations.</p>
<p>My basic 5 points still stand. You can add &#8216;will go before&#8217; </p>
<p>This is ultimately a logical end based on the chain of events. There is a CEO bonus culture that doesn&#8217;t actually seem to be relative to the success or failure of a given financial institution. In the financial sector, the desire for bonuses has led to egregious behavior that has resulted in worldwide financial panic. This is typically how our system works. Failure to exercise freedom in a responsible manner leads to legislation that attempts to de-incentivize unwise choices.</p>
<p>The individuals who may be subject to this potential legislation are not Andrew Carnegie building America into a manufacturing powerhouse. They lack the patriotism/nationalism of the great &#8216;titans of industry&#8217; of days gone by and the desire to even whitewash their legacies and be remembered as great men. For the most part, they just seem to want the money and have zero regard for the consequences of any actions they take to get it.</p>
<p>Still this doesn&#8217;t bother me. If its a tremendous failure it&#8217;ll either be ruled as unconstitutional or be rescinded as law by a future administration.</p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a finding &quot;will officially end the era of denial on global warming,&quot; said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., whose Energy and Commerce subcommittee is crafting global warming legislation. He said such an endangerment finding is long overdue because of the Bush administration&#039;s refusal to address the issue.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/23/epa-says-global-warming-public-danger/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a finding &#8220;will officially end the era of denial on global warming,&#8221; said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., whose Energy and Commerce subcommittee is crafting global warming legislation. He said such an endangerment finding is long overdue because of the Bush administration&#8217;s refusal to address the issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/23/epa-says-global-warming-public-danger/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/23/epa-says-global-warming-public-danger/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>shcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not suggesting we turn all public lands into private, in Colorado something like 50% or our state is in public lands and I don’t think anyone wants to change that, very few anyway. These groups serve a useful middle ground in some specific cases. We had a case here in Denver where a developer wanted to expand his shopping center, he wanted to expand it into an area where there was a pond and some natural ground between his shopping center and some industrial buildings, the land wasn’t really valuable but the owner didn’t want to sell it because he enjoyed the separation, it also provided a buffer  to some houses. The shopping center petitioned to have the property seized under eminent domain so the city could get more tax revenue, one of these conservancy groups bought it and with their clout they were able to turn the property into a wildlife preserve. 

In some of these cases simply buying the property is the cleanest solution. 

Now of course this is much larger project, imagine how much work went into putting together the money and all the thousands of hours of volunteer time to put together a deal that would allow a private group to buy land half the size of Rhode Island, and now someone wants to just take it away because they think their purpose is more pure. The problem is the solar panel project is just a passing fad, at some point it will become apparent that that huge expanse of land, half a state, full of billions of dollars of glass and plastic produces .03% of the power of our coal plants. But all those turtles will be dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not suggesting we turn all public lands into private, in Colorado something like 50% or our state is in public lands and I don’t think anyone wants to change that, very few anyway. These groups serve a useful middle ground in some specific cases. We had a case here in Denver where a developer wanted to expand his shopping center, he wanted to expand it into an area where there was a pond and some natural ground between his shopping center and some industrial buildings, the land wasn’t really valuable but the owner didn’t want to sell it because he enjoyed the separation, it also provided a buffer  to some houses. The shopping center petitioned to have the property seized under eminent domain so the city could get more tax revenue, one of these conservancy groups bought it and with their clout they were able to turn the property into a wildlife preserve. </p>
<p>In some of these cases simply buying the property is the cleanest solution. </p>
<p>Now of course this is much larger project, imagine how much work went into putting together the money and all the thousands of hours of volunteer time to put together a deal that would allow a private group to buy land half the size of Rhode Island, and now someone wants to just take it away because they think their purpose is more pure. The problem is the solar panel project is just a passing fad, at some point it will become apparent that that huge expanse of land, half a state, full of billions of dollars of glass and plastic produces .03% of the power of our coal plants. But all those turtles will be dead.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-142965</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s the American way&quot; nice jingo but doesn&#039;t necessarily mean its the best policy going forward.  Maybe it is, but maybe not.  In a perfect world all people who benefit (from presevervationists who buy up land to maintain or return it to nature) would contribute to the costs of purchase and ongoing protection and taxes on that land.  As it is, a very few people who buy these tracts for preservation are  paying the costs for the vast majority of other people who benefit from the clean air, and other benefits of maintaining the web of life.  That&#039;s not fair for so many people to get a free ride - is that the American way?  
Maybe it is.  Or was.  But times are a changin. 

Flora &amp; fauna and the rest of nature does not have much cash, and our wellbeing is based on the environment at least as much as it is on cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s the American way&#8221; nice jingo but doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean its the best policy going forward.  Maybe it is, but maybe not.  In a perfect world all people who benefit (from presevervationists who buy up land to maintain or return it to nature) would contribute to the costs of purchase and ongoing protection and taxes on that land.  As it is, a very few people who buy these tracts for preservation are  paying the costs for the vast majority of other people who benefit from the clean air, and other benefits of maintaining the web of life.  That&#8217;s not fair for so many people to get a free ride &#8211; is that the American way?<br />
Maybe it is.  Or was.  But times are a changin. </p>
<p>Flora &amp; fauna and the rest of nature does not have much cash, and our wellbeing is based on the environment at least as much as it is on cash.</p>
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		<title>By: knarlyknight</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2009/03/19/romm-on-the-medias-conspiracy-of-silence/#comment-142918</link>
		<dc:creator>knarlyknight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... &quot;funny in a perverse snail darter kind of way&quot; 

I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; &#8220;funny in a perverse snail darter kind of way&#8221; </p>
<p>I like it.</p>
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