I’m halting comments on this thread.

This thread has been going on for two weeks and well over a hundred comments, after about 15 comments all these threads stray off topic, or at least the original topic, the comments are still on topic, the thread just morphed into something else.

Carlin’s satire used to be funny but as he has gotten older he has turned into a bitter old man. Have you seen any interviews with him recently? He is just worn down, it’s just depressing. I probably disagree with Robin Williams’ politics more than Carlin’s but Williams is fun to watch on stage or in an interview even if his barbs sting a bit, but Carlin is just sad.

I think shcb should be ashamed for his 4:35 pm post, where he starts off by trashing America. For your information shcb, America is not bad and I am sickened that you of all people would continue to repeat such a hateful assertion. America is a brilliant beacon, it just needs to get back to some founding principles… hey, speaking of principles, how is Ron Paul doing? (And by the way, is Ghouliani going to be promoting any more criminals for key positions in his campaign or does he have enough already?)

Damn cat sat on my mouse. Where was I? Oh yeah,…

Leftbehind I don’t have prisonplanet bookmarked, I just follow links occasionally when directed there by other sources so I have not the ongoing knowledge of the site that you have shown us you possess. However, I do peruse 911blogger fairly regularly, and there is this nice little piece that sort of relates to the theme of shcb believing most anything about Pearl Harbour, or about that other “public opinion catalyzing event like Pearl Harbour” that the authorities would like him to beleive. It goes like this (kudos to the author, Tzo):

Here is an example of where a typical layperson can go horribly astray when confronted with what he or she may assume to be an elementary physics problem. Au contraire!

Question: A 20-story building hangs suspended from a crane so that the bottom of the building is 10 feet directly above a 90-story building. Right next to this first 20-story building is another identical 20-story building suspended from another crane at an identical height above the ground, but with no building underneath it. Both cranes let go of their respective 20-story buildings at the same time. Which one hits the ground first?

Answer: This is actually a bit of a trick question.

Prior to 9/11/01, 100% of Advanced Physics Degree professionals would have agreed with the lesser-educated, “common sense” crowd and said that the building with nothing but air beneath it would strike the ground considerably faster than the other, which, quite honestly, could not really be expected to burrow its way through a 90-story building to reach the ground at all.

However, since 9/11/01, physicists have learned that the answer is actually “there will be no difference in the rate of descent between the two 20-story buildings. They will both strike the ground at the same time.”

So you see, one must always consult one’s local physics expert when questions concerning the physical universe arise. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO WORK THROUGH ANY TYPE OF PHYSICS PROBLEMS ON YOUR OWN AT HOME—ALWAYS CONSULT A PROFESSIONAL. Only a professional knows which laws of physics are currently being applied to describe the physical universe that surrounds us. THESE PHYSICAL LAWS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. Please do not assume you are up to date on the latest equations and/or theories concerning gravitation or conservation of energy and momentum.

You may now return to your regularly-scheduled life, knowing that you are safe in the good hands of the people who you expect to watch out for you and your family’s best interests, since that would take too much time out of your day to do for yourself.

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Enkidu says that he thinks that Alex Jones is a “wack job,” so I suppose he thinks anyone who spends a lot of time on Infowars.com must be a wack job, too – so I wouldn’t want him to think I spend a lot of time there. He might think I’m an extremist, and he really has a thing against extremists. You spend a lot of time on Infowars – maybe you could go there and let me know what Alex has to say. Maybe you could read a couple pages on Infowars, then paraphrase them here and pretend the information came from somewhere else, like you usually do. That way, we can get the scoop, but Inky will think both of us are still cool.

Why did Hitler spend so much on the Atlantic wall when all you had to do was paratroop behind it? Why did the Japanese spend so much on battleships when aircraft carriers and submarines were the future of naval warfare. Why did Rommel go to spend time with his family when the Allies were going to attack Normandy the next day, do you actually believe he didn’t know the date the largest armada in the history of the world was going sail? Come on, he had to know. The story is that no one wanted to wake Hitler, are we really supposed to believe that, Hitler was awake, he knew the attack was taking place but held the Panzers back because of sweetheart deal he had worked out with Halliburton. Want proof? Go to http://www.shcb.blogspot.com the Wizard, the world’s expert on this little known fact will have an article on it in a few days if I get the chance.

Why did Kurita turn the Yamato around and run for Japan, there was nothing but a few tin cans separating him from Halsey and the main invasion force invading Leyte. Someone must have paid him off, there is no way he could not have known he was a short distance from what would have surely been Japan’s most decisive victory. Speaking of Halsey, why did he chase those old aircraft carriers when the Yamato was coming up behind him, he left the troops exposed to those 18 inch guns, rumor has it Howard Hughes had something to do with that decision. It was the only bad decision Halsey made in his career, are we to believe there wasn’t something fishy there?

Why did the Japanese not bomb the oil depots or the dry docks or the subs at Pearl, surely they knew battleships were a thing of the past. They just wanted the industrial/military cabal in Japan to have full employment making millions for those fat cats at the top.

All mistakes look stupid in retrospect if you can’t put them in context. And no, there were no conspiracies in any of these cases either.

However, a 300 pound man preaching about health care and being healthy is sort of funny.

As to what ties it all together, you have my sympathies as I realize how difficult it is for you to keep track of more than one thought at a time. You can refer back to my November 12, 2007 at 1:34 pm post, as my remarkably coherent, comprehensive and concise reply was to shcb’s fragmented response to that Nov. 12 post.

MK Ultra? Isn’t that where Canada allowed the US to experiment with LSD on Canadian mental patients? What does that have to do with either Pearl Harbor or 9-11? No wait, I’ll bet if I go to infowars.com right now, I can find some Alex Jones article or another that will explain everything.

Shcb, yeah, too bad the brass in 1941 spent all their resources on sentry duty and counter espionage around the Honolulu base and forgot that potential enemies might actually approach by means other than foot.

But who could ever have imagined back then that an imperial naval fleet would actually use airplanes and modified torpedoes to attack ships in a harbour? Why Kristy Almity, that’d be as ridiculous as suicide terrorists hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings, I mean no-one could EVER foresee something like that (according to Bush, Rice, et al despite actual war games playing out nearly identical scenarios at the exact same time.) I mean come on, they told us it was unimaginable so we have to believe that it was unimaginable, right?

Also, just because two Japanese submarines were encountered near Pearl Harbour (and sunk?) shortly before the attack, that could not have been a sign that the enemy was scouting the area for an impending attack force, naaaah. It must have been coincidence, the sub captains were probably just checking out the tanned babes on the beaches. It’s like all the 2001 FBI staff and field agents’ warnings (see Sibel Edmunds and see Able Danger), nay, pleas for action is more like it, that were repressed by seniors who were never held accountable for their ____ (treason, mistake, incompetence, dereliction of duty, or etc.)

Yup, too bad that in all the history of naval warfare the concept of patrol boats had not been invented by the 1940’s. Perhaps a few strategically placed eyes or competent staff at radar stations might have seen that Japanese armada approaching the main base at the center of US Pacific operations.

Wonder why there were no orders to have effective patrols so that the fleet would have advance warning to prepare for an attack? The Japanese must have invented the military sneak attack on December 7 , 1941 , shifty eyes you know, that must be it. Anyway, after ten inquiries into the event (seven or so of which were useless due to the lies told within to cover supposed top secret info., that was subsequently revealed – along with the lies, by subsequent official inquiries) we will likely never know the truth. Some historians like John Toland, will do some painstaking research and get it published, but that will be criticized, fairly, because there is no smoking gun. I mean it’s not like there were 9 shots fired from a handgun that holds 6 (7?) bullets; and it is certainly not like something flew into perhaps the heaviest defended building in the world (ringed by a myriad of surveillance cameras) and the authorities withhold the video evidence and do not comment on the sudden 10x jump in background radiation downwind; nor is it like large pools of inexplicable molten metal witnessed and photographed below three collapsed buildings.

There, are you satisfied shcb? For all I know, Roosevelt likely had no advance knowledge and no inkling that something like this might happen, and John Toland might be a fool. On the other hand, declassified documents show MK Ultra was real and very sick, and evidence has come forward over the years to indicate such activities did not end when they stopped calling it by that name. Likewise, Gulf of Tonkin is now well documented, and you would not last ten minutes as a Guantanamo inmate before admitting your grandfather trained some of the other inmates how to use box cutters while conducting his FedEx training sessions.

youtube.com/watch?v=uj1nRDgmks0

Oh wait, I haven’t blamed Bill Clinton yet… let’s see… oh yeah, when Bill E Bob was giving a speech recently, someone heckled him about 9/11 being an inside job, Clinton’s response was: how dare you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEGnllIW0PY

I bet Bill would change his tune if the government ever turns over all the emails, docs and phone recordings from the shrubco era. But these guys watched Nixon get skewered for some petty recordings (o and the break ins etc) Dick Cheney learned one lesson from the Nixon era: never get caught. The neocon warmachine will just paint this turd of a presidency red white and blue then polish it to a shine for decades to come (just like the Reagan ‘legacy’).

Hey looks like shrubco’s one moderate success is unravelling: how is Pakistani president Busharef doing these days? Seems to me these guys already have the atomic bomb (perhaps a few dozen?), resurgent Taliban, hosting Osama bin Forgotten, angry radicals, right wing dictator, martial law, the works!

heck of a job bushie!

prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_022403_pearl.html

I’m especially fond of the assertation that FDR forced Hitler to declare war by allowing Pearl Harbor to occur. What a shame that such an inherently peaceful guy was tricked into a costly, disasterous war by the mechanations of the sinister Americans.

Another page at Infowars, which lashes out at “hit pieces” aimed at Alex Jones and the 9-11 Truth movement, further explores American complicity in Pearl Harbor, and provides a link to the “McCollum Memo,” a pre-war document that “proves” that the peace loving Japanese were provoked into attacking Hawaii. True, the McCollum Memo outlines Roosevelt’s plan to manuever the Japanese into forcing the US into the War in the Pacific, but it’s hardly a “smoking gun” – unless you believe that 1) US involvement in the War was not inevitable 2) the Japanese had no motive in attacking the U.S. beyond the scheming of the Roosevelt administration 3) the Japanese would have taken over the Pacific while their German allies took over Europe and then left the U.S. alone and 4) Japanese domination of the Pacific / Nazi domination of Europe would have been a good thing for the U.S.

infowars.com/articles/sept11/911_hit_pieces_get_just_plain_stupid_1.htm

To say the President had to know the Japanese were going to attack is preposterous. To be able to track a task force in the open seas in that day and age, especially one that took as round about a route as Nagumo chose was extremely difficult.

rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030406/ANSWERMAN/304060303/1023

On this same page, Ebert also echoes shcb’s call that Moore put some sort of disclaimer on his films:

I sometimes suspect that Moore takes as his motto these words by Huck Finn about an earlier book in which Huck figured: “That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth.”

Moore told me: “I don’t know what category to put my films in. They’re like a film version of the op-ed page, and not a traditional documentary. They are cinematic essays presenting my point of view. I may be right or wrong, but if I state something as a fact, I need the viewers to trust that those facts are correct.”

The debate about specific facts in “Bowling for Columbine” has grown in such intensity and attention to detail that it requires the dedication of a Kennedy assassination buff. The Answer Man recommends you read both of the sites above, as well as michaelmoore.com, where he says he is posting a point-by-point reply to his critics, complete with documents, affidavits, etc. I also recommend that Moore preface his next film with the quote from Mark Twain.”