instead of “pull the” insert “drop 300 lb bombs on the”

instead of “the grass under them to grow” insert “to control trillions of dollars in oil wealth and establish permanent military bases”

instead of “once it does the grass will” insert “once you have that monetary control and those permanent strategic bases in place, that should be enough to support a never ending war to”

There, now I think you have it, moran.

It’s all so clear now, thanks.

Knarly,

I believe that is what we are trying to do, but you have to pull the weeds if you want the grass under them to grow, once it does the grass will keep the weeds down.

Wars are won by picking the right battles to win.

If you think you have won a racial or clash of civilizations type of war because you have waged many battles and killed most of your opponents, you are likely being foolish as those who remain will usually redouble efforts to wage another war (ten years, twenty years or a hundred years later) that will bring the victor to its knees.

to paraphrase Sun tzu – best to take the enemy whole, incorporate them and their differences into a combined better and greater new world. (Yes, “he” was in large measure full of crap, but he had his moments…)

Killing = accomplishment? Lock the fucker up right now.

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.gif

http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html

The same thing has happened in the political realm as well, we have had ups and downs, we are in a neutral period now. But the surge is helping move certain aspects of the political spectrum in a positive direction on a local level.

You are watching this long process happen, you are witnessing history. Are there going to be losses, sure, are there going to be setbacks and disappointments, sure. But you have to endure those to make positive progress, this is true in any aspect of human endevor. If we didn’t move forward we would simply go into that defensive posture I have talked about at length and nothing would get accomplished, of course if your goal is a tie, that would be success. But my goal for success is victory.

(article by Terrell E. Arnold – a retired Senior Foreign Service Officer of the US Department of State whose immediate pre-retirement positions were as Chairman of the Department of International Studies of the National War College and as Deputy Director of the State Office of Counter Terrorism and Emergency Planning.)
www dot rense dot com/general78/iraw.htm

excerpts:

Why are we there? Having riffled through a card-shuffling panoply of reasons, all of which have been abandoned or discredited, the Bush administration clings to them anyway. Finding no weapons of mass destruction or even any substantial military capabilities, the Bush team settled for just getting rid of Saddam Hussein. In retrospect, there are literally millions of people in the region- not all of them Iraqis-who think that was a poor idea.

Why do we stay? The superficial reason currently given is in two parts. One is to keep the Iraqi people from destroying themselves. As the Iraqis descend ever more deeply into civil war and self- destruction, that rationale becomes less and less credible. Since our troops constantly attack anybody who fights back against the American presence, we end up flitting from one side to another in the civil war, while that war itself shows little sign of abatement. The second leg of this rationale is to make Iraq free of terrorism. Since we have defined any Iraqi who resists the American occupation as a terrorist, Iraq has filled up with terrorists since Saddam was deposed. That our occupation and we are the ultimate terrorism generators in Iraq is presently beyond dispute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4

I don’t read some of your stuff because you throw so much out there, slow down a bit make one point with a little backup information and don’t always try and sneak in a 911 conspiracy video and I may just read and watch everything you put out there

But you are essentially right about the black and white, I prefer to reduce problems to the smallest number of possibilities pick a course based on that limited number, act on that course, reevaluate at some point, reduce the number of possibilities, and so on. I find taking the “enlightened” path of considering everything all the time tends to paralyze your decision making, then nothing gets accomplished.

This thread proves the the “black and white” (“either this or that”) rigid and non-nuanced thinking of conservatives as jbc posted on his Sept 11 “Free Food” post … a brain configuration which prevents rwnj’s like shcb from having any inkling of the possibility of a more enlightened approach or any such concepts, such as that provided by Colin Powell in ymatt’s Sept 11 Post “Powel the ‘Former Everything’ Talks Reality” and highlighted by enkidu’s comment.

Shcb,
Since you have stated:

No I didn’t watch any of the videos or read the long cut and paste, was there anything important there?

I can state that I have not read the arcane law that you have referenced (since the various legal interpretations and commentary on their implications that I have seen are more than sufficient).

You have also stated:

Your points as usual are rubbish my good man, pure rubbish.

which is an inherently illegitimate statement because you have admitted your complete willful ignorance about the references that support my points.

Therefore I can state with authority that your points shcb as usual are rubbish my good man, pure rubbish.