Blue America

I lost the site where I originally saw this map posted yesterday, but it makes for a nice contrast with all those “red and/or purple America” maps that were floating around after the 2004 presidential election:

Maybe Bush would consider playing president only in Utah for the next year and a half, with occasional trips to Idaho and Wyoming. Since those appear to be the only parts of the country that still want him.

17 Responses to “Blue America”

  1. shcb Says:

    Hate to break this to you, but Bush isn’t running

  2. knarlyknight Says:

    As usual, shcb misses the point.

  3. shcb Says:

    I know, I know, the people have spoken, they hate the direction the country is going, the Bush policies are the problem no matter who is in power, socialism and pacifism is the only solution, the people finally understand!!!

    This is strictly my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but I don’t think that is the case. I have seen polls my side puts out that show a similar dissatisfaction for congress, firmly in the hands of the Democrats. The folks don’t like the way things are going, but they don’t know any better than the politicians what to do to change things. I don’t think they want to surrender though. Maybe they do right now, but they would realize their mistake the next large attack from the Arabs. And then this whole cycle will start over.

    This chart is interesting and even helpful, it shows a snapshot of opinions of very current events. The red/blue charts we have all seen show more the long term, big picture side of things. So neither is wrong or right, they are just different indicators.

    Just a bit of advise, you shouldn’t underestimate your opponents intelligence as much as you do. I’m not so much talking about me, I know I’m an idiot, but I’m guessing you look down on anyone with a differing opinion as being less intelligent than you, this is a mistake. Never underestimate your opponent. If I’m wrong, and you will know if I am or not, kindly disregard with my apologies.

  4. knarlyknight Says:

    It’s just that you continue to say such stupid things, like that comment in another thread about the censorship of in China being an indictment of communism. Communism may suck, but the censoring in China is to maintain the Party’s control and has little to do with communism or alternate economic systems. You continue erroneously equate capitalism with freedom.

    Rhetorical: why are Americans so willing to surrender their freedoms to enable their big brother government to protect them from terrorists who supposedly want to kill Americans because they hate American’s freedom (sic)? Maybe because if Americans give up enough of their freedoms the terrorists won’t hate them (sic) as much?

    By the way, are you going to be importing more pre-made parts from China for your business?

  5. shcb Says:

    actuall, we are exporting TO China, there is one component the Chinese are going to assemble there because it is a problem shipping the product with that component assembled. More on your other comments tonight.

  6. enkidu Says:

    The map reports bush approval ratings. I am surprised that it is as positive as it is… then I realized there are the 13%ers who think Cheney is doing a good job. RWNJs of this stripe are dissatisfied with bush because he hasn’t nuked them islamoids!!!1!1!! and them dhimmicrats!!!

    You know, the David Vitters, Bob Allens, Thomas Ravenels, Jack Abrahmoffs, Dukester Cunnignhams, Mark Foleys, A(lla)nn Coulters and Bill Kristols of Dumbfuckistan. Oh I forgot, there is that one Dem in LA who took some bribes. And of course Clinton got hisself a bj (whoop-d-fucking-doo). To a Rethug, consensual sex = Constitutional Crisis, but the biggest power grab in modern history = meh.

  7. ymatt Says:

    Wow, even my state of Texas is on the right side (slightly) of opinion. I may have to follow-up my wasted Gore vote in 2004 (I was in the local paper for that vote!) with a possibly-not-wasted vote for whichever Democrat is inevitably going to win the election, althogh I might have to hold my nose if it’s Clinton.

    And anybody who thinks Communism as an economic theory has anything at all to do with the Chinese economy has no idea. Their economy is more capitalist on balance than the US’s has been since the 1800s.

  8. knarlyknight Says:

    You’re probably right about communism having little relevance in the Chinese economy, increasingly so since HK’s reversion in 1997. I’m no the expert on that. Still, it is just plain silly to say their censorship is due to their communism or even their (supposed) communism. Censorship abounds where freedom loses ground, or has died. Sadly, if like myself you’ve ever had any comments censored on the ABC news blogsite (without breaking any of their rules) or seen how Google and Youtube re-set “most watched” and other counters for CERTAIN videos (e.g. Loose Change, Terrorstorm, From Freedom to Fascism, etc.) so they do not rise up in the most popular charts, then you will realize that there is indeed a strong censor in America too, but it is more insidious and surreptitious.

  9. enkidu Says:

    I love that the leading Rethuglican™ candidate is (drumroll please)…
    None Of The Above.

    Yeah, you Thuggles™ sure are the party of ideas. Just that they are Bad Ideas. Like, say, nuking Iran. Where recent polling indicates 83% of their populace wants peace and normalized relations with America and no nukes. So 17% of their populace must be Cheney style 13%ers. Hardline haters. Thugs. Asshats. No wonder Reagan got on so well with those Ayatollas!

  10. shcb Says:

    You guys are always giving me a hard time about changing the subject, I don’t know what in my comments got you make the jump from being blocked in China to a discussion of Chinese economies but what the heck.

    Now I’m no expert on the subject having spent 1 of my over 2600 weeks alive there, with most of that time either at a brand new manufacturing plant or a 5 star hotel (at $80 a night, our last night was a 5 star, 11th floor, across the street from the beach, ocean view, $66) from what I saw Matt is probably correct, there seems to be a thriving economy on the street, small businesses that are on a cash only basis, no tax. And they appeared to be several generations old so presumably they were there during the communist rule. However, to say communism has little effect on the economy is ridiculous.

    From 1969 to 1985 the Chinese economy grew by a factor of 3.6 with the US at 1.6, from 1985 to 2003 the US economy rose 1.7 times and the Chinese an unbelievable 5.1. What happened in that timeframe you ask? Communism started to loose it’s grip. During Mao’s rule millions died of starvation and millions more were killed because they dissented or were teachers or intellectuals (same with Stalin) people were routinely beat, imprisoned or killed for speaking a single dissenting word, and you’re complaining that a private company wants to discourage your goofy conspiracy theory, I say they are just exercising good taste, your nonsense is still available to those that want to look at it isn’t it?

    I’m not sure how beneficial to the economy the reversion of Hong Kong to the Chinese was but HK’s GDP is about 170 billion, about 10% of China, there is of course a lot of investment money that flows through HK, I don’t know if that is included in the GDP or not but I don’t think it made a 500% difference, even if you throw the handing back of Macau in 1999 into the mix. It certainly didn’t make any difference to the common Chinese man since they are not free to live wherever they want as you and I are. If you were born in Guangzhou you can not just up and move to Hong Kong or anywhere else without written permission of the government. Macau and Hong Kong are still run as they were when the British and Portuguese owned them, with their own government. Chinese have to show their passport when entering or leaving these cities just like you or I.

    While a vibrant underground main street economy may have flourished under communism it would appear it was in spite of not because of communism. I don’t know why liberals have this wispy notion of communism, it never works. It is indeed as evil as Ronald Reagan so eloquently and often wrote about.

  11. shcb Says:


    you are really a bitter little person aren’t you?

  12. enkidu Says:

    awww poor widdle rwnj, doesn’t wike how mean ol Enkidu points out the hypocrisy, the venal, greedy, scummy, party-before-country true nature of the Rethuglicans™

    Hey are you sure you didn’t just get back from this cruise?

    Conversations with neocons on a cruise
    Johann Hari of the Independent (UK) paid $1200 to take a cruise with 500 “straight-talking, gun-toting, God-fearing Republican” readers of the conservative National Review magazine. His mission: to “find out what American conservatives say when they think the rest of us aren’t listening.”
    I lie on the beach with Hillary-Ann, a chatty, scatty 35-year-old Californian designer. As she explains the perils of Republican dating, my mind drifts, watching the gentle tide. When I hear her say, “Of course, we need to execute some of these people,” I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. “A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country,” she says. “Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that’s what you’ll get.” She squints at the sun and smiles. ” Then things’ll change.”

    Ahhh yes, it is ALL about the politeness. I suppose if this is the Rethug™ 13%ers without their ‘civility’ then yes, calling anyone who disagrees with you ‘traitor’ or ‘lying sacks of shit’ and the like is actually quite, well, conservative.

    Indeed, the party of Very Bad No Good Ideas.

  13. shcb Says:


    I just think he sounds bitter. Being the kind soul I am, I worry about his health, I’m afraid a vein is going to pop in the side of his head in mid vitriol some day.

    There are kooks on both sides.

    So do you guys think anyone will start a thread dealing with this Cindy Shehan being barred from the Daily Kos because she is going to run against Peloci. I believe that is in JBC’s back yard. Surely liberals wouldn’t engage in censorship unless it was on a college campus

    I believe she has a good bye letter on the Kos website, I haven’t looked, Rosen was talking about it a couple days ago,2777,DRMN_23972_5626814,00.html

  14. shcb Says:

    oops, didn’t realize which lib I was talking to sorry Knarly, you get blamed for enough, you don’t need to be labeled bitter as well.

  15. enkidu Says:

    bitter? it is to laugh!
    and indeed it IS fun to provoke the typical rwnj.

    I am sorry, but The Hate Boat is put on by The Nation Review (a major rwnj spider hole). Participants include best-selling hate book author Dinesh D’Souza, Norm Podhoretz (maybe lefty should share his meds with Norm as he seems borderline psychotic), Bill Buckley (who actually comes off pretty well, if over the hill and heading towards dotage while his mutant offspring cackle about perpetrating genocide on libs and Mooslims everwhar!)

    Just read all five pages of that article and face the fact that rwnjs want a new civil war, they want nuclear genocide, they want to stick the libs an queers an folks not of Church XYZ in the gas chamber.

    Wake up America.

    I am not laughing anymore.

    I am calling my Reps and Sentors and demanding they put impeachment on the table. Luckily my calling plan has free coast to coast w unlimited minutes.

  16. knarlyknight Says:

    kudos Enkidu

  17. enkidu Says:

    People are dissatisfied with Congress (and the Pretzelnitwit) because we are still screwing up Iraq instead of killing Osama bin Forgotten. Opium production is way way up, the Pakistani frontier is rife with resurgent Taliban and al Queda creeps, and Musharef is nearing the end of his rope.

    Heck of a job bushy!

    Is there anything these idiots haven’t wrecked? Oh right! N Korea shut down their reactor. In exchange for oil and money. You know, back to the Clinton agreement. Only problem is that NK now has a handful of nukes.

    Heck of a job…

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