Comments on: U.S. Deaths in Iraq for April and May, 2007 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/ believe nothing... Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:39:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: shcb http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62766 shcb Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:38:31 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62766 You’re correct of course, the length of time it takes to recover from a mistake depends largely on how close you are the tragedy, was it your young daughter, your niece, or the kid a few miles over. It also depends on the ability of the person affected to separate their personal loss from the big picture. But what would the alternative be, anarchy, women loosing the right to vote, being beaten on the street for wearing the wrong cloths, watching your daughter raped in front of you. It seems we are seeing a glimmer of hope that the Iraqis are finally understanding they have a limited time to get their act together or they will slide back to a totalitarian regime. I just hope it isn’t too late. You’re correct of course, the length of time it takes to recover from a mistake depends largely on how close you are the tragedy, was it your young daughter, your niece, or the kid a few miles over. It also depends on the ability of the person affected to separate their personal loss from the big picture. But what would the alternative be, anarchy, women loosing the right to vote, being beaten on the street for wearing the wrong cloths, watching your daughter raped in front of you.

It seems we are seeing a glimmer of hope that the Iraqis are finally understanding they have a limited time to get their act together or they will slide back to a totalitarian regime. I just hope it isn’t too late.

]]> By: NorthernLite http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62764 NorthernLite Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:32:43 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62764 The shitty part is, no matter how much you try to minimize civillain casualties, one careless attack on innocents creates so much animosity that it probably negates months worth of 'progress'. The shitty part is, no matter how much you try to minimize civillain casualties, one careless attack on innocents creates so much animosity that it probably negates months worth of ‘progress’.

]]> By: shcb http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62745 shcb Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:39:47 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62745 I’ve watched the body counts as well as I can and haven’t been able to make much of a determination either. It seems when I watch shows on the history channel, or see news reports where some indication is given, the ratio is about 10 to 1, which would be in historical perspective to the Pacific campaign in WW II and in Vietnam. This of course would be offset to some degree with IEDs and suicide bombers that would tip the count in favor of the enemy. We would tip it the opposite direction again with aerial assaults where American forces are at almost no risk. So…. I just call it 10 to 1. We will probably never know for sure. I don’t think they have the technology to keep accurate counts, which has to just drive their commanders crazy since all wars are wars of attrition. Our government also does it’s best to keep enemy dead accounts minimized since Uncle Walter and the rest of the liberal media used these numbers against our war effort in Vietnam. Traditionally body counts were a way to know if you were winning or loosing a war. Walter was able to use a high enemy death rate to garner support and sympathy for the enemy from Americans, hence we lost. We are trying to avoid deja vu all over again. Of course I have a well defined sense of who I want to die. As with most people I wish to protect; myself, my family, friends, community, nation and allies. Any one that threatens those needs to be dealt with in whatever means are required. Of course the deaths of civilians should be minimized, that is what the fourth Geneva convention is all about. We are going way above and beyond what is required to protect our Iraqi friends while killing our and their enemies. It is our enemies that not only hide behind these civilians, but actually target them. I’ve watched the body counts as well as I can and haven’t been able to make much of a determination either. It seems when I watch shows on the history channel, or see news reports where some indication is given, the ratio is about 10 to 1, which would be in historical perspective to the Pacific campaign in WW II and in Vietnam. This of course would be offset to some degree with IEDs and suicide bombers that would tip the count in favor of the enemy. We would tip it the opposite direction again with aerial assaults where American forces are at almost no risk. So…. I just call it 10 to 1. We will probably never know for sure. I don’t think they have the technology to keep accurate counts, which has to just drive their commanders crazy since all wars are wars of attrition. Our government also does it’s best to keep enemy dead accounts minimized since Uncle Walter and the rest of the liberal media used these numbers against our war effort in Vietnam. Traditionally body counts were a way to know if you were winning or loosing a war. Walter was able to use a high enemy death rate to garner support and sympathy for the enemy from Americans, hence we lost. We are trying to avoid deja vu all over again.

Of course I have a well defined sense of who I want to die. As with most people I wish to protect; myself, my family, friends, community, nation and allies. Any one that threatens those needs to be dealt with in whatever means are required. Of course the deaths of civilians should be minimized, that is what the fourth Geneva convention is all about. We are going way above and beyond what is required to protect our Iraqi friends while killing our and their enemies. It is our enemies that not only hide behind these civilians, but actually target them.

]]> By: knarlyknight http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62290 knarlyknight Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:01:39 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62290 Hey jbc, Sorry, my question was more rhetorical, just pointing out that there's a lot more dying than shown in counting the military deaths. I'm told I have a keen sense of the obvious. Whose life is worth more, an Iraqi civilian parent, an Iraqi civilian child, diplomatic corps American civilian, US Military grunt, Iraq military grunt, insurgent, a terrorist, or yours? Another rhetorical question, unless of course you are shcb in which case you probably have a clear hierarchy as to who you would most want and least want to see blown to bits with shrapnel. Hey jbc,
Sorry, my question was more rhetorical, just pointing out that there’s a lot more dying than shown in counting the military deaths. I’m told I have a keen sense of the obvious.

Whose life is worth more, an Iraqi civilian parent, an Iraqi civilian child, diplomatic corps American civilian, US Military grunt, Iraq military grunt, insurgent, a terrorist, or yours?

Another rhetorical question, unless of course you are shcb in which case you probably have a clear hierarchy as to who you would most want and least want to see blown to bits with shrapnel.

]]> By: NorthernLite http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62205 NorthernLite Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:17:30 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62205 Is the "surge" working? Lately, it appears that there are more deaths all around. Just yesterday I read that something like 14 US troops were killed in less than 48 hours. Could it be that the "surge" produced what many had feared and some even predicted: just more targets for the resisters to attack? Is the “surge” working? Lately, it appears that there are more deaths all around. Just yesterday I read that something like 14 US troops were killed in less than 48 hours.

Could it be that the “surge” produced what many had feared and some even predicted: just more targets for the resisters to attack?

]]> By: jbc http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62192 jbc Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:00:31 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-62192 I'd be interested in doing so, if I had access to good numbers. So far I haven't seen anything with that kind of month-by-month granularity. Instead we've got wildly unreliable body count figures reported by the military (which I've noticed have been making more of an appearance from Iraq lately -- "60 suspected insurgents killed, according to a military spokesperson"), and the occasional overall estimates that vary dramatically based on the assumptions and biases of the people doing the estimating. I’d be interested in doing so, if I had access to good numbers. So far I haven’t seen anything with that kind of month-by-month granularity. Instead we’ve got wildly unreliable body count figures reported by the military (which I’ve noticed have been making more of an appearance from Iraq lately — “60 suspected insurgents killed, according to a military spokesperson”), and the occasional overall estimates that vary dramatically based on the assumptions and biases of the people doing the estimating.

]]> By: knarlyknight http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-61870 knarlyknight Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:40:35 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2007/06/16/us-deaths-in-iraq-for-april-and-may-2007/#comment-61870 Care to superimpose estimates of civilian/charlie/raghead body counts on these graphs? Care to superimpose estimates of civilian/charlie/raghead body counts on these graphs?

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