this president makes Dan Quayle look like a brilliant elder statesman.

nixon – brain = bush

I don’t have to insult you – you do that quite well without my input.

From: The proud partisan tool (whatever that is).

I would say to look it up on google, but the internets is full of lies right?

And your oh-so-polite back and forth is so enlightening.

And is this a new leaf your turning over? Talking nice about my family instead of the stupid and childish insults that are more typical of your hate filled rantings? Gosh maybe I did do some good reminding you not to be such a tool this holiday season. Baby Jesus says good job enk!

I have had some fun puncturing your pathetic talking points and nonsense (hey make sure you bring up your mom’s sweater, that really showed me eh?) But when all you can do is try (hahahaha!) to insult me (puhlease), the ‘game’ grows stale. Please bring up some Dim-o-crat lies and corruption and try to make actual factual sense instead of just spewing hate.

And next time you blather on about reading comprehension please visit the lies.com manifesto – maybe you can school jbc about using such vulgar language. Bullshit is bullshit and you are full of it.

I concede. You win the vulgarity contest, hands down; I’ve been properly slapped with a limp wrist. Best wishes to your family.

Hey btw where is that Osama Bin Forgotten fella? Or have you and your fauxnewz knuckledraggers convinced yourselves that Saddam planned 9/11?

Last year a stat came out that 20% of Americans believe the sun goes around the Earth. Most reasonable people called these folks “idiots”, preznut pusch calls em “his base.” You, sir fucktard, are a 20%er.

Oh and Happy New Year!

Sincerely,
The sad old partisan tool.

I stand by my statement that you quoted. Go fuck yourself is putting it politely (after all, if Dick Cheney can scream it on the Senate floor after Patrick Leahy reamed him a new one on the Halliburton no-bid corruption, then it must be fair game for polite political discussion).

And I stand by this statement 100%

“You and your cabal of half-truth neo-con chest thumping, flag draping, bloody shirt waving fucktards are making my children’s future more dangerous. To quote your hero Darth Cheney ‘go fuck yourself!’”

I said that in making my decision of Bush vs. Kerry I contacted the HQ of both parties, then made the appropriate decision based on the obvious character of those who responded – and that those character analyses are confirmed regularly.

Enkidu responds, “Sorry if popping your lies now made some difference to your vote back then (I thought time travel wasn’t possible?).” Sorry, but I never even inferred that today’s argument affected my vote in the past election. I question your intelligence and your comprehension skills. As long as we’re playing disassociation games, My mother had a red sweater once.

In like fashion, and typically, the entire argument of the WMD listing was based on my contention that Saddam was in possession of UN-banned WMD materials – and that contention has never been debated. Instead, conversational disassociation games are played by enkidu. Lacking a viable argument, he dismisses the contention, choosing to defer to an unrelated discussion about the physical state of the illegal, existing materials. “My mother had a red sweater once” would have been an equally viable argument.

I’ve never seen “Christmas Eve” mentioned in a meaningful way without capitalization of both words. Christmas evening occurred after sunset on December 25th. Christmas Eve was the day before Christmas. Perhaps the message of Christ should have been recognized even before the family arrived – or perhaps it should be acknowledged that His message was delivered centuries prior to the following “debate” rhetoric:

“You and your cabal of half-truth neo-con chest thumping, flag draping, bloody shirt waving fucktards are making my children’s future more dangerous. To quote your hero Darth Cheney ‘go fuck yourself!’”

But enkidu charges that I don’t recognize the message of Christ. Of course, Christ’s message was not applicable at 10:57 pm on November 4th, but only after sundown on the evening before Christmas, eh? Yeah, I know; I responded to that immaturity inappropriately, so I’m at fault.

I’ve always found it funny that I’m criticized for “flag draping” by those who are offended when their own patriotism is questioned. The only flag I’ve ever “draped” was the one I placed on my father’s casket – proudly.

This “sad, pitiable creature” celebrated the birth of Christ with family on Friday evening, December 29th – family tradition, with members congregating from several states. On Christmas Eve, December 24th, I had already celebrated the birth of Christ in local nursing homes, prior to my posting. My family’s timetable didn’t fit that of the enkidu family, but was certainly no less sincere and reverent.

btw, numerous references have been made to my labeling of enkidu as “evil,” but I can find the use of that term in none of my posts.

I think it enlightening to view two sides of a debate… when the other side actually has something debatable. TV can whine and biatch and prevaricate/obfusciate/lie all he wants, but it does make his points any more true. I won’t bother to go thru TVs numbered points because I think they are beneath petty and drifting deep into sad and deluded. I am not scoring points, I am responding directly to right wing moonbat crazy BS and using the facts and information available to me to draw conclusions based on this info. My conclusion is that TV isn’t interested in changing his mind or admitting errors/mistakes/lies (this sounds just like the preznit btw). My opinions are my own, but the facts do not support your opinions/beliefs, yet you seem incapable of changing course/opinion/rejoining reality.

As to your “original reason” for visiting this site: the election was over a year ago, sorry if popping your lies now made some difference to your vote back then (I thought time travel wasn’t possible?) You plagarized word for word (and lied about it) from a book that swiftboats the winter soldiers, yet you wanted to vote for Kerry… sorry but I am going to use my noodle and call that yet another lie.

I do find it fascinating that in each of TV’s numbered grievances, the fault is always someone else’s (in this case I am the source of all evil). As an independent voter, I find your blinkered partisanship abhorrent and antithetical to American values (imho). It will be interesting to see how much of the billions of lost Iraq money (besides the KBR and halliburton cash) comes back to swiftboat Dem/Ind candidates in ’06 and ’08.

TV, my picture of you alone in front of the computer on Christmas eve pounding out yet another partisan message of anger, divisiveness and hate is sad beyond words. But it is the truth, sad and deluded tho you may be. I don’t hate dumbya, I just hate where he/you/your ilk are taking our country, I hate his bass ackwards policies, stupidity, greed and corruption.

However, anyone with an elementary grasp of mathematics can see that the “left” must win favor with voters in a couple of the so-called red states – the “right” needs none of the blue states to continue in their position. But the “left” cannot resist the temptation to alienate middle Americans, then wonders why they can only field one winning candidate in in the last 30 years – and you’re analysis is right on; Clinton was viewed as a centrist in many ways by most, including myself.

In making my decision of Bush vs Kerry, I contacted both RNC & DNC headquarters via e-mail, asking both the same question about the military background of each respective candidate. From the RNC I received a predictable response, with which I was only partially in agreement. From the DNC I received an email with no message; only a destructive “worm.” I 1) replaced my computer, and 2) made my decision.

I still have the infected email on a floppy. It’s origin was confirmed by three independent computer technicians. From the experience I reached conclusions about personalities, characters, of the good folks at the DNC – and those analyses/conclusions are confirmed regularly.

To answer a question you never asked: Why vote for Kerry? I’ll give the same reason why people voted for Bush. Not because he was a good candidate, but because the other candidate really sucked. I don’t think that very many people walked away from the polls feeling like they voted for the best person for the job…just the lesser of two evils.

If you voted for Bush in 2000, it’s pretty easy to trust that he’s not abusing his power and wouldn’t have a problem voting for the guy again. If you didn’t, you’re probably screaming for some oversight and maybe a new candidate.

Bush has been very good at polarizing Americans. This polarization is swinging in Bush’s disfavor, and many Republican lawmakers are finding it easier to distance themselves from Bush. Similar to how the folks in the ‘red states’ felt alienated by Kerry, the ‘blue state’ folks feel alienated by Bush.

The fact is that the candidate who appears to be the most moderate will usually win a presidential election. That is, the candidate who is least offensive to both the red and blue states tends to win. The fact is that we’re different (the people on the coasts from the people in the middle of the country). We talk differently, we dress differently, we even tend to look a little different. We have different values, and thus different political views. There’s nothing wrong with this — it’s a big country with different cultures.

The problem is that these two cultures tend to clash a little. It’s not the left’s fault, and it’s not the right’s fault.. It’s not the candidate who creates the culture clash — I feel that this has a bit more to do with federalism and states rights. This goes both ways. Personally, I feel like the solution is simple: leave people the hell alone.

1) WMD. I gave a list of banned items that were found in Iraq, supposedly destroyed years earlier. The items existed, regardless of their functional condition, in violation of UN mandates, undeclared by Saddam – and that was my point. I also mentioned many large caches of modern gas masks – obvious indicators of chemical weapons. Enkidu debated the condition of the banned items, avoiding the issue of illegal possession, incurring no damage to my allegations. He wins nothing by evading the issue.

2) False sense of nobility. I come from a background of poverty, and “grew” to the noble position of a public school teacher. Having no idea what he’s talking about, I can’t assign a winner or loser. Perhaps he is making reference to own nobility, characterized by setting aside a few hours yearly for reflecting on the message of Christ; I won’t be his ultimate judge in that regard.

3) Plagarising (sic). I pled guilty, although we disagreed on semantics – but the issue was his limited knowledge, his dependence on cut/paste of others’ opinions. Again, by avoiding the issue, he wins nothing.

4) Partisan drivel. We are both 100 per cent guilty – I support, he hates – so there’s no winner or loser.

5) Support for this preznit (sic). I plead “guilty.” My trust of Bush makes me “wrong” in the opinion of enkidu; his hatred of Bush, in my own opinion, makes him “wrong.”

6) Lie. The conservative (traditional) definition of the term requires intentional misrepresentation of known facts, while the liberal definition has no literal meaning – but is applied in place of “wrong” or “stating a contrary opinion.” Labeling of a contrasting view as a lie is….a lie.

I mentioned my “pity” for his “bitterness” early in our discussions. Now he applies the same rhetoric, further evidence of his ability to think independently. His rhetoric is no different than that of the immature youngsters with whom I deal on a daily basis; as are his logic and inability to deal with the reality of contrasting opinions.

My opinion – he has won nothing. His opinion – he wins every point. Predictably, he will label that assessment as “vitriol,” while being unable to recognize his own vitriolic speech. So be it. His ability to “debate” is contingent on generalized labeling and evasiveness, and void of self evaluation, leaving his “winning” status in question.
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My original reason for visiting this site was…to discover a reason to vote for John Kerry. Instead, I have found the reasons John Kerry lost. He needed “red state” votes, but, instead, those voters on whom he was dependent were alienated. That tendency toward alienation continues with growing intensity. The ploys being used will probably solidify blue states (cities), but also solidifies red states – so, can we expect a different result in 2008? I doubt it.

the picture is accurate, on xmas eve you sit down to write yet another hate filled rant… maybe you should actually read and comprehend the teachings of Jesus rather than using his words as a partisan football?

You can rail all you like about my mentioning how quick and easy it is to find reputable sources via google or wikipedia, it doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong about WMDs, wrong about your false sense of nobility, wrong about plagarising (copying) partisan drivel, wrong to support a preznit who has failed at nearly every turn along the road. And yes you did lie repeatedly about all these things.

Your bitterness is evident for any who can stomach reading your vitriol and hate filled blather. As an independent voter I find your extremist views repugnant and more than a little sad and pitiable.

Evening is as you defined – but Christmas Eve is acknowledged as the day before Christmas (set your stop-watch before you google it), and most of us recognize the message of Christ more than a few hours yearly during an “appropriate season.”

The extent of my “filth and vulgarity” (except for quotations from your own posts) has consisted of a single word, in one post in which I “played your game,” for which I apologized several times….unaccepted. I am not your equal in that regard.

By your skewed definition, I’ve always been an extremist. When I supported Clinton’s actions as CiC, that support was deemed inappropriate by conservatives. When I support Bush’s actions as CiC while troops are in the field, I am labeled an extremist. I can accept that, considering the political agenda of the source.

Hopefully, the time of this post meets your approval.

Filth? Vulgarity? Look in the mirror.

Judging by your posts (the times, the ‘content’) you are a sad, sick, pitiable old crank with an extremist partisan axe to grind. On xmas eve you sit down and type in… what? A message for good old liberal values like peace, tolerance, understanding and community? No, you fly off on your wild rants regardless of the season or the truth.

Seek professional help.