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	<title>Comments on: The Lies.com Manifesto</title>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-72558</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is not to denegrade you or what you are doing at all. This manifesto just sets the bar awfully high. I doubt anyone here, myself included, could ultimately do any better, especially given the present climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is not to denegrade you or what you are doing at all. This manifesto just sets the bar awfully high. I doubt anyone here, myself included, could ultimately do any better, especially given the present climate.</p>
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		<title>By: jbc</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-72552</link>
		<dc:creator>jbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touch&#233;. I guess the best defense I can make is that it&#039;s lack of time, more than lack of commitment, that prevents me from living up to the manifesto&#039;s requirements. But yeah, you have a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touch&eacute;. I guess the best defense I can make is that it&#8217;s lack of time, more than lack of commitment, that prevents me from living up to the manifesto&#8217;s requirements. But yeah, you have a point.</p>
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		<title>By: leftbehind</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-72550</link>
		<dc:creator>leftbehind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBC -Looking back on the last 2+ years since this was written, I can&#039;t say that this manifesto ended up meaning as much as was intended. I&#039;m sure you were passionate about it when you wrote it, but I don&#039;t see where an ernest effort was ever made to follow up on its promise. 

I point, for example to a more recent comment, on a November 10, 2007 thread called &quot;CNN: The New Fox News.&quot; Concerning CNN&#039;s distortion of a Nancy Pelosi soundbite, about which you were understandably outraged, you wrote: &quot;I might not leap quite so quickly to whine about CNN if they were skewering a right-wing politician in that fashion; I’ll grant you that.&quot; Why not? You say in your manifesto that  &quot;if someone is bullshitting, and I find out about it, I’m going to call them on it, regardless of who they are or what position they’re advocating.&quot; Doesn&#039;t that imply that if that bullshit constitutes a dishonest attack upon or an injurious misrepresentation of another person, regardless of that person&#039;s politics or what position they advocate? Personal bias and agenda are only natural, but if you know that someone is lying, or promoting a lie by whatever means, and you have to stop and think whether or not you&#039;re going to say anything about it based on your politics, haven&#039;t your politics made you an enabler to the lie? 

When Hillary Clinton and her staff planted questions at a press conference, a la the FEMA press conference you covered extensively, where was lies.com? There&#039;s an item circulating today that one of the questioners featured on last night&#039;s Republican debate was an employee of the Clinton campaign, a fact CNN neglected to mention when putting the guy on the air. Had a Fred Thompson operative infiltrated the Democratic debate, you would post on it immediately and passionately-why do I doubt, based on its track record, lies.com will even mention it? 

If you&#039;re going to call your blog &quot;lies.com&quot; and set yourself up as a Champion of The Truth and Enemy of All Liars, as this manifesto suggests, you have to do better than that. It&#039;s alright to be a partisan and, as I&#039;ve said before, bias is only natural, especially within the context of a campaign cycle. Why then, keep a manifesto such as this posted and try to pretend this blog is something that it&#039;s not, and can&#039;t ever be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBC -Looking back on the last 2+ years since this was written, I can&#8217;t say that this manifesto ended up meaning as much as was intended. I&#8217;m sure you were passionate about it when you wrote it, but I don&#8217;t see where an ernest effort was ever made to follow up on its promise. </p>
<p>I point, for example to a more recent comment, on a November 10, 2007 thread called &#8220;CNN: The New Fox News.&#8221; Concerning CNN&#8217;s distortion of a Nancy Pelosi soundbite, about which you were understandably outraged, you wrote: &#8220;I might not leap quite so quickly to whine about CNN if they were skewering a right-wing politician in that fashion; I’ll grant you that.&#8221; Why not? You say in your manifesto that  &#8220;if someone is bullshitting, and I find out about it, I’m going to call them on it, regardless of who they are or what position they’re advocating.&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t that imply that if that bullshit constitutes a dishonest attack upon or an injurious misrepresentation of another person, regardless of that person&#8217;s politics or what position they advocate? Personal bias and agenda are only natural, but if you know that someone is lying, or promoting a lie by whatever means, and you have to stop and think whether or not you&#8217;re going to say anything about it based on your politics, haven&#8217;t your politics made you an enabler to the lie? </p>
<p>When Hillary Clinton and her staff planted questions at a press conference, a la the FEMA press conference you covered extensively, where was lies.com? There&#8217;s an item circulating today that one of the questioners featured on last night&#8217;s Republican debate was an employee of the Clinton campaign, a fact CNN neglected to mention when putting the guy on the air. Had a Fred Thompson operative infiltrated the Democratic debate, you would post on it immediately and passionately-why do I doubt, based on its track record, lies.com will even mention it? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to call your blog &#8220;lies.com&#8221; and set yourself up as a Champion of The Truth and Enemy of All Liars, as this manifesto suggests, you have to do better than that. It&#8217;s alright to be a partisan and, as I&#8217;ve said before, bias is only natural, especially within the context of a campaign cycle. Why then, keep a manifesto such as this posted and try to pretend this blog is something that it&#8217;s not, and can&#8217;t ever be?</p>
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		<title>By: lies.com  &#187; Dawkins on Creationism</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-14165</link>
		<dc:creator>lies.com  &#187; Dawkins on Creationism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] te provides an interesting test-case of the objectivity I&#8217;m striving for in the post-manifesto lies.com. It helps clarify something that I think people (including some in the m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] te provides an interesting test-case of the objectivity I&#8217;m striving for in the post-manifesto lies.com. It helps clarify something that I think people (including some in the m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jbc</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-14146</link>
		<dc:creator>jbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 21:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t thought it out that far. I think the mix of stories will probably stay pretty much the same, since I post things based on my being interested in them, and I&#039;ll probably remain interested in pretty much the same things. I guess I&#039;m intending to do a stricter job of self-editing to avoid saying things like, &quot;Bush is being dishonest when he says X, because it&#039;s completely obvious that he really intends to do Y,&quot; saying instead, &quot;Bush has said X, which seems suspect, in my opinion, based on his previous statement Y. I think it&#039;s possible, perhaps even likely, that he actually intends to do Z.&quot;

I&#039;m hoping, too, that instead of getting people painting me with a broad brush when they disagree with me, I can lure a few of the more thoughtful disagreeing types into actuallly engaging in a substantive debate on the merits of our positions, rather than just having lots of name-calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t thought it out that far. I think the mix of stories will probably stay pretty much the same, since I post things based on my being interested in them, and I&#8217;ll probably remain interested in pretty much the same things. I guess I&#8217;m intending to do a stricter job of self-editing to avoid saying things like, &#8220;Bush is being dishonest when he says X, because it&#8217;s completely obvious that he really intends to do Y,&#8221; saying instead, &#8220;Bush has said X, which seems suspect, in my opinion, based on his previous statement Y. I think it&#8217;s possible, perhaps even likely, that he actually intends to do Z.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping, too, that instead of getting people painting me with a broad brush when they disagree with me, I can lure a few of the more thoughtful disagreeing types into actuallly engaging in a substantive debate on the merits of our positions, rather than just having lots of name-calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/20/the-lies-manifesto/#comment-14145</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 21:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean you&#039;re going to stop linking so many posts back to the Bush Administration?  You&#039;ve been pretty effective at demonstrating that they have no regard for Truth.

However, they&#039;re also pretty newsworthy, so it&#039;ll be quite hard to ignore them.

So which is it?  Tediously sourced examples of further Bush mendacity, or a focus on more non-Bush examples of lying?  Sure, that&#039;s a false dilemna, but I&#039;d be interested how this relates to politics and the bigwig politicians of our day.

Maybe you&#039;re going to focus more on claims made by corporations, but every corporation bullshits.  I&#039;m looking at a box of graham crackers while I type this, and the box reads: &quot;No Cholesterol&quot;.

This is a form of bullshit.  Of course a plant product contains no animal fat (cholesterol).  They&#039;re just trying to make their crackers seem healthier than they really are.

Heck, my Jolly Time Healthy Pop pop corn box says in big letters that it&#039;s &quot;94% fat free&quot; when the label on the back says that 20 out of 90 calories come from fat.

Where are you going with this as far as categories are concerned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean you&#8217;re going to stop linking so many posts back to the Bush Administration?  You&#8217;ve been pretty effective at demonstrating that they have no regard for Truth.</p>
<p>However, they&#8217;re also pretty newsworthy, so it&#8217;ll be quite hard to ignore them.</p>
<p>So which is it?  Tediously sourced examples of further Bush mendacity, or a focus on more non-Bush examples of lying?  Sure, that&#8217;s a false dilemna, but I&#8217;d be interested how this relates to politics and the bigwig politicians of our day.</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re going to focus more on claims made by corporations, but every corporation bullshits.  I&#8217;m looking at a box of graham crackers while I type this, and the box reads: &#8220;No Cholesterol&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is a form of bullshit.  Of course a plant product contains no animal fat (cholesterol).  They&#8217;re just trying to make their crackers seem healthier than they really are.</p>
<p>Heck, my Jolly Time Healthy Pop pop corn box says in big letters that it&#8217;s &#8220;94% fat free&#8221; when the label on the back says that 20 out of 90 calories come from fat.</p>
<p>Where are you going with this as far as categories are concerned?</p>
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