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	<title>Comments on: Coulter Heckler Gets Arrested</title>
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		<title>By: lies.com  &#187; Ajai Raj&#8217;s Story in His Own Words</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14127</link>
		<dc:creator>lies.com  &#187; Ajai Raj&#8217;s Story in His Own Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 07:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  case of Ajai Raj, who disrupted an Ann Coulter appearance at the University of Texas (see Coulter heckler gets arrested).  	Now I&#8217;ve finally come across something t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ethan-p</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14048</link>
		<dc:creator>ethan-p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Maybe I’m biased in my analysis of this story by having worked with the campus police back in the day.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, you worked with the fun police.  That explains everything! 
(OK, I worked with campus police back in the day, but only as an emergency medical tech.  That doesn't count as consorting with the fun police...you fun police consort!)

In any case, the more professional police officers that I've seen (and worked with) usually saw arrest as a last resort.  Usually a suggestion like "you can walk out of here now, or I can drag you to the station...what do you think?" is powerful enough to get a kid out the door and defuse a situation.  I suppose it depends on the town...I don't know much about Austin, TX -- but in NYC, I'd be shocked at an arrest like that.  It reminds me of that somg from The Who "you can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away".

On the plus side, I don't think that anyone has to worry about Ann Coulter's sensibilities being offended, because we all know that she's a dirty, dirty girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Maybe I’m biased in my analysis of this story by having worked with the campus police back in the day.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, you worked with the fun police.  That explains everything!<br />
(OK, I worked with campus police back in the day, but only as an emergency medical tech.  That doesn&#8217;t count as consorting with the fun police&#8230;you fun police consort!)</p>
<p>In any case, the more professional police officers that I&#8217;ve seen (and worked with) usually saw arrest as a last resort.  Usually a suggestion like &#8220;you can walk out of here now, or I can drag you to the station&#8230;what do you think?&#8221; is powerful enough to get a kid out the door and defuse a situation.  I suppose it depends on the town&#8230;I don&#8217;t know much about Austin, TX &#8212; but in NYC, I&#8217;d be shocked at an arrest like that.  It reminds me of that somg from The Who &#8220;you can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the plus side, I don&#8217;t think that anyone has to worry about Ann Coulter&#8217;s sensibilities being offended, because we all know that she&#8217;s a dirty, dirty girl.</p>
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		<title>By: jbc</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14045</link>
		<dc:creator>jbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 00:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. For me, I thought the cop was making the point in his report that after Raj did his thing, the anti-Coulter people in the back of the auditorium were whooping and hollering, and the pro-Coulter people in the front of the auditorium were standing and yelling and making like they were going to go after Raj. Which to me kind of sounds like an okay situation for him to have stepped in and arrested the guy.

And yeah, just escorting him out might have been sufficient, but in some ways the cop's got a cleaner course of action to just arrest him. It's sort of like the policies regarding use of deadly force by cops: The fact is, yeah, there are situations where a cop might be able to achieve a better outcome by pulling his gun out and just winging the bad guy; shooting him in the arm or the leg or something. But cops aren't trained to do that. They're trained like this: If you don't have sufficient grounds to try to kill the guy, you don't shoot him. And if you _do_ have sufficient grounds to try to kill the guy, that's what you try to do.

Maybe I'm biased in my analysis of this story by having worked with the campus police back in the day. But there's a freedom of speech issue here, obviously. If Raj isn't violating an ordinance, the cop really has no business doing anything at all to him. So the cop pretty much can't intervene any earlier than that. For him to make Raj leave _without_ arresting him might even be construed as prima facie evidence that the cop was violating Raj's first amendment rights.

But the image of Raj running back up the aisle making the wanking gesture just continues to crack me up every time I picture it. Way to go, dude. Way to take the spotlight away from that screeching harpy with a totally appropriate bit of symbolic speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. For me, I thought the cop was making the point in his report that after Raj did his thing, the anti-Coulter people in the back of the auditorium were whooping and hollering, and the pro-Coulter people in the front of the auditorium were standing and yelling and making like they were going to go after Raj. Which to me kind of sounds like an okay situation for him to have stepped in and arrested the guy.</p>
<p>And yeah, just escorting him out might have been sufficient, but in some ways the cop&#8217;s got a cleaner course of action to just arrest him. It&#8217;s sort of like the policies regarding use of deadly force by cops: The fact is, yeah, there are situations where a cop might be able to achieve a better outcome by pulling his gun out and just winging the bad guy; shooting him in the arm or the leg or something. But cops aren&#8217;t trained to do that. They&#8217;re trained like this: If you don&#8217;t have sufficient grounds to try to kill the guy, you don&#8217;t shoot him. And if you _do_ have sufficient grounds to try to kill the guy, that&#8217;s what you try to do.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m biased in my analysis of this story by having worked with the campus police back in the day. But there&#8217;s a freedom of speech issue here, obviously. If Raj isn&#8217;t violating an ordinance, the cop really has no business doing anything at all to him. So the cop pretty much can&#8217;t intervene any earlier than that. For him to make Raj leave _without_ arresting him might even be construed as prima facie evidence that the cop was violating Raj&#8217;s first amendment rights.</p>
<p>But the image of Raj running back up the aisle making the wanking gesture just continues to crack me up every time I picture it. Way to go, dude. Way to take the spotlight away from that screeching harpy with a totally appropriate bit of symbolic speech.</p>
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		<title>By: ethan-p</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14044</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 00:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they have to arrest the kid?  Why not just throw him out?  I could see doing the latter in a situation where he had caused a 'breach of peace', but why charge the kid?  I suppose that there were kids in the room...but I don't see saying "fuck them in the ass" near kids as an arrestable offense.  If so, I've probably used similar words enough times in front of kids to get locked up for a long time (instead of simply getting dirty looks from friends within earshot of my burger fumble at the BBQ).

Of other note, the arresting officer's got a typo in his police report &lt;i&gt;"...that all they do with there wives is fuck them in the..."&lt;/i&gt;.  But since the cop put those words in writing in public record (which is available to &lt;i&gt;children&lt;/i&gt;), can we arrest him too, or does he need to be of Middle Eastern descent to get arrested for bullshit like that?

In any case, and of greater importance than charging the arresting officer, the kid really could have at least thought of something creative and/or interesting to say (I mean, he could have left the wanking motions in...just found something less meaningless to say).

With the arrest report fresh in my mind, I have to ask:  &lt;b&gt;won't someone think of the children?!?&lt;/b&gt;. 
I say that we fuck them in there ass!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they have to arrest the kid?  Why not just throw him out?  I could see doing the latter in a situation where he had caused a &#8216;breach of peace&#8217;, but why charge the kid?  I suppose that there were kids in the room&#8230;but I don&#8217;t see saying &#8220;fuck them in the ass&#8221; near kids as an arrestable offense.  If so, I&#8217;ve probably used similar words enough times in front of kids to get locked up for a long time (instead of simply getting dirty looks from friends within earshot of my burger fumble at the BBQ).</p>
<p>Of other note, the arresting officer&#8217;s got a typo in his police report <i>&#8220;&#8230;that all they do with there wives is fuck them in the&#8230;&#8221;</i>.  But since the cop put those words in writing in public record (which is available to <i>children</i>), can we arrest him too, or does he need to be of Middle Eastern descent to get arrested for bullshit like that?</p>
<p>In any case, and of greater importance than charging the arresting officer, the kid really could have at least thought of something creative and/or interesting to say (I mean, he could have left the wanking motions in&#8230;just found something less meaningless to say).</p>
<p>With the arrest report fresh in my mind, I have to ask:  <b>won&#8217;t someone think of the children?!?</b>.<br />
I say that we fuck them in there ass!  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.Y.S.O.N.</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14023</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.Y.S.O.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 00:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we can find out whether or not she has a penis.</description>
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		<title>By: Rise Against</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2005/05/05/coulter-heckler-gets-arrested/#comment-14017</link>
		<dc:creator>Rise Against</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 03:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn't she just shut her mouth and pose for playboy?</description>
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