Comments on: Beinart on Dean vs. Bush

By: rick pietz

rick pietz — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:15:34 +0000

Eric, I liked Kucinich. Just I knew he would never get elected, regardless of the value of his ideas.

John, you are correct. Dean had a message, Kerry has none. The democratic party has none. Probably it’s because they can’t have a message that irritates the large donors, which means just about any message good for the average person.

I will probably write in Kucinich on my ballot. I just can’t see voting for the one half or the other of the same machine.

By: John F

John F — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:41:31 +0000

There’s another point about Howard Dean that the Democratic Party has ignored — not just ignored but has failed to understand… Failed to APPLY. Something that gave Howard Dean’s campaign strength and enthusiasm unlike John Kerry’s:

It’s the MESSAGE, stupid!

It’s the MESSAGE that the candidate applied that caught people’s attention. It was the MESSAGE that “You Have the Power” and taking back America to go along with his politics that made Howard Dean appeal to people on the left AND the right (and there were Republicans in Howard’s fold. That much is certain)

It’s the MESSAGE, stupid. Not the Middle! Between Albert Gore and John Kerry, both campaigns have lobbied for the middle once their opponents (Bill Bradley in 2000, nine others in 2004) were dispatched. They tried to be all things to all people instead of running on something that would appeal to a core group and pick up steam.

It wasn’t the fact Howard Dean ran on ideals for Americans, but he had a clue what he wanted in change, showed people what that ideal was and the thought gathered steam. It gathered a following…

If there was a national primary election, Dean have won the Presidential nomination because the likes fo the Democratic Leadership Foundation and others within the party would not have been able to throw a monkey in the works. If there had been one national primary, Dean having a message would have slaughtered the more-known Joe Lieberman who was running on being in the middle again.

But of course, there isn’t… So that point is moot.

When you have a message — be it on the left of right of the political spectrum, you pick up supporters because you show you are going to do something… Rally your base and then pick up the middle with the message - not with politics. Be it Regean’s Morning in America, Dubya’s “Compassionate Conservative” or Howard Dean’s “Take Back America” to go along with their politics. I’m not talking about catch phrases, people, as so much the image they invoked to go along with their political speeches.

It’s the message — not the Middle. Howard Dean and Joe Trippi had a successful - if cumulating in failure — campaign because they ran on a message and they were able to stand by their politics (and they were better off for it). Dean’s message still appeals to me as it did last year….

Kery’s running on “Not Bush” — i’ve seen it before (Florida, 2002 Election, Jeb Bush vs. Bill McBride) and that very well might end up being his reason for failing.

By: Eric

Eric — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:30:08 +0000

I guess I’m the only Kucinich supporter :P

By: Thomas

Thomas — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:15:38 +0000

I didn’t want Kerry for the very reason mentioned above. Too much history, too easy to attack. Can’t say I liked Dean much. I really don’t know why, I liked what he had to say but he just seemed too odd to be elected. Why was Gore such a pussy?

By: Adam

Adam — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:34:34 +0000

Ditching Dean was a *huge* mistake. Of course, I’m a Dean supporter from way back, so take that with a grain of salt. But still, it seems pretty clear.

By: rick pietz

rick pietz — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:58:35 +0000

I’m not sure it was the voters who truly did it. It appeared to me, as I watched the fiasco, that the democratic party had a hand in making ‘Dean’ un-electable, which even at the time was ridiculous. Prior to Dean, the democrats didn’t appear to exist, and now without Dean, the democrats don’t appear to exist again; at least they don’t appear to any kind of clear agenda or purpose.

I didn’t particularly like Dean, but I liked him a whole lot better than either Kerry or Lieberman.