Comments on: Thinking About the Unthinkable http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/ believe nothing... Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: middle class family http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6255 middle class family Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:34:33 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6255 Larry G, Are you really middle class? According to the Congressional Budget Office, Bush's tax cuts have shifted federal tax payments from the richest Americans to middle-class families. "the wealthiest 20 percent, whose incomes averaged $182,700 in 2001, saw their share of federal taxes drop from 64.4 percent of total tax payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year. The top 1 percent, earning $1.1 million, saw their share fall to 20.1 percent of the total, from 22.2 percent. Over that same period, taxpayers with incomes from around $51,500 to around $75,600 saw their share of federal tax payments increase. Households earning around $75,600 saw their tax burden jump the most, from 18.7 percent of all taxes to 19.5 percent." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61178-2004Aug12.html And here you have, according to the US Census Bureau: Change, real mediam household income Bush II: -$1,535 Clinton: +$5,489 Bush I: -$1,314 Change, number in poverty Bush II: +4,280,000 Clinton: -6,433,000 Bush I: +6,269,000 http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p60-226.pdf And if you want flip flops, here you have some: # Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it. # Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it. # Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it. # Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it. # Bush is against nation building; then he's for it. # Bush is against deficits; then he's for them. # Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again. # Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State. # Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution. was his advance team. More here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954 Why do facts hate the Bush Company? Larry G,

Are you really middle class? According to the Congressional Budget Office, Bush’s tax cuts have shifted federal tax payments from the richest Americans to middle-class families.

“the wealthiest 20 percent, whose incomes averaged $182,700 in 2001, saw their share of federal taxes drop from 64.4 percent of total tax payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year. The top 1 percent, earning $1.1 million, saw their share fall to 20.1 percent of the total, from 22.2 percent.

Over that same period, taxpayers with incomes from around $51,500 to around $75,600 saw their share of federal tax payments increase. Households earning around $75,600 saw their tax burden jump the most, from 18.7 percent of all taxes to 19.5 percent.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61178-2004Aug12.html

And here you have, according to the US Census Bureau:
Change, real mediam household income

Bush II: -$1,535
Clinton: +$5,489
Bush I: -$1,314

Change, number in poverty

Bush II: +4,280,000
Clinton: -6,433,000
Bush I: +6,269,000

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p60-226.pdf

And if you want flip flops, here you have some:

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he’s for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he’s for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he’s for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he’s for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he’s for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he’s for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he’s for tariffs on steel; then he’s against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a “road map” and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
was his advance team.

More here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954

Why do facts hate the Bush Company?

]]> By: IXLNXS http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6096 IXLNXS Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:49:00 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6096 Lets say for an instance that Bush was planned and destined to win long ago. That his brother Jeb was slated to run on the 2008 ticket. Already being groomed for the position through PR guys and a total cleansing of records. To top it off lucky him has been given not one but three huricanes to show what a great leader during tragedy he is. Please expect this public relations campaign to be started as soon as needed. Expect a new war to take place further destabalizing the middle east and the transafghanistan pipeline to go through unnoticed supplying Asian market places. Not long after watch for a push from Saudi Arabia, that will be met with severe response from America, Britain, and Israel. Much of the rest of the world will turn a blind eye thanks to the cheap oil their countries are afforded. Or not. But check back and see how close I come to the mark. Lets say for an instance that Bush was planned and destined to win long ago.

That his brother Jeb was slated to run on the 2008 ticket. Already being groomed for the position through PR guys and a total cleansing of records. To top it off lucky him has been given not one but three huricanes to show what a great leader during tragedy he is. Please expect this public relations campaign to be started as soon as needed.

Expect a new war to take place further destabalizing the middle east and the transafghanistan pipeline to go through unnoticed supplying Asian market places.

Not long after watch for a push from Saudi Arabia, that will be met with severe response from America, Britain, and Israel. Much of the rest of the world will turn a blind eye thanks to the cheap oil their countries are afforded.

Or not. But check back and see how close I come to the mark.

]]> By: Larry G. http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6030 Larry G. Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:37:57 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6030 Four more years ? We are going to go thru 4 more years, no matter WHO sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. For me, I'd rather take my middle class tax bracket, refunds and all, and support Bush than flip flop thru 4 years of indecision, higher taxes and "possibly" higher terror threats. Do we really need support from France and Germany ? When I have to make a major decision in my house, I don't go ask my neighbors who may or may not agree with me. I'm paying the way...I make the rules. In 1972 , many young people like myself sloshed our way thru the Vietnam jungles without the luxery of a film crew watching our every step. Many received purple hearts, and had to endure 15-18 months tour of duty to get them. A four month tour...wow, that was tough. I'm sorry. The great thing about being an American is that we can disagree without fear of prison or violence. If Mr. Kerry wins the race, then I, as an American, should support him. I may not agree with him, but I'll pray for him daily and stand behind the office. But given the choice, I'll vote for Bush and pray for America. Either way, GOD is going to have to fix the problems that we have created. We sure can't. Four more years ? We are going to go thru 4 more years, no matter WHO sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. For me, I’d rather take my middle class tax bracket, refunds and all, and support Bush than flip flop thru 4 years of indecision, higher taxes and “possibly” higher terror threats. Do we really need support from France and Germany ? When I have to make a major decision in my house, I don’t go ask my neighbors who may or may not agree with me. I’m paying the way…I make the rules. In 1972 , many young people like myself sloshed our way thru the Vietnam jungles without the luxery of a film crew watching our every step. Many received purple hearts, and had to endure 15-18 months tour of duty to get them. A four month tour…wow, that was tough.
I’m sorry. The great thing about being an American is that we can disagree without fear of prison or violence. If Mr. Kerry wins the race, then I, as an American, should support him. I may not agree with him, but I’ll pray for him daily and stand behind the office. But given the choice, I’ll vote for Bush and pray for America. Either way, GOD is going to have to fix the problems that we have created. We sure can’t.

]]> By: TE Williams http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6004 TE Williams Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:29:56 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-6004 Four More Years of Bush means its time for us grassroots to stop wishing and complaining, and instead truly organize ourselves into a force which can direct the Democratic Party in a new direction. Turn it into a party that says what it means and won't play the other team's games unless it can win them. Get ready to organize, people. And we may need to turn that nonviolent resistance massively on our OWN "LEADERS." The chaos that ensues may not mean victory in the 2008 Whitehouse contest, but who cares? If Bush gets back in, we'll have much deeper, longer problems to worry about. And its about time we started finding solutions, rather than playing defense. Four More Years of Bush means its time for us grassroots to stop wishing and complaining, and instead truly organize ourselves into a force which can direct the Democratic Party in a new direction. Turn it into a party that says what it means and won’t play the other team’s games unless it can win them.

Get ready to organize, people. And we may need to turn that nonviolent resistance massively on our OWN “LEADERS.” The chaos that ensues may not mean victory in the 2008 Whitehouse contest, but who cares? If Bush gets back in, we’ll have much deeper, longer problems to worry about. And its about time we started finding solutions, rather than playing defense.

]]> By: Eric Lee http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-5988 Eric Lee Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:20:05 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-5988 I believe Atrios and Kos have a bit to say about that poll: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004/09/craptacular.html (be sure to check out the Kos link in that post) I believe Atrios and Kos have a bit to say about that poll:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004/09/craptacular.html

(be sure to check out the Kos link in that post)

]]> By: John F. http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-5983 John F. Mon, 06 Sep 2004 03:46:03 +0000 http://www.lies.com/wp/2004/09/05/thinking-about-the-unthinkable/#comment-5983 BTW -- those Newsweek and Time polls are tainted. You know how many Republicans are going to vote Kerry? Not many at all. Or how many democrats are going to vote Bush? The Polls from newsweek and time, instead of being a fair toss up, have more republcians than democrats polled. Something like 20 percent more if I do recall... Rasmussen has a new national poll and it's supposed to show only a one percent lead for Bush. In the end, it will come down to turnout at the polls... BTW — those Newsweek and Time polls are tainted.

You know how many Republicans are going to vote Kerry? Not many at all. Or how many democrats are going to vote Bush?

The Polls from newsweek and time, instead of being a fair toss up, have more republcians than democrats polled. Something like 20 percent more if I do recall…

Rasmussen has a new national poll and it’s supposed to show only a one percent lead for Bush. In the end, it will come down to turnout at the polls…

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