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	<title>Comments on: Watching Saddam Fall</title>
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	<description>believe nothing...</description>
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		<title>By: mayssamassoud</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/04/10/watching-saddam-fall/#comment-14030</link>
		<dc:creator>mayssamassoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mazbout 2eno SOURIYA 3am te2ze baladna wou 7aloun yedharo bass ma ma3neta l 3alam l mase7iye bi sebo l din l 2esleme. Metel l 2eslem bye7termouna na7na kamen lezim ne7teremoun wou mech bass l souriye 2eslem fi lebneniye 2eslem Dubai Abou Dabi Irak Felestin... so plz 7termo gheyrkoun 3amelo ma3rouf Kisses ciao ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mazbout 2eno SOURIYA 3am te2ze baladna wou 7aloun yedharo bass ma ma3neta l 3alam l mase7iye bi sebo l din l 2esleme. Metel l 2eslem bye7termouna na7na kamen lezim ne7teremoun wou mech bass l souriye 2eslem fi lebneniye 2eslem Dubai Abou Dabi Irak Felestin&#8230; so plz 7termo gheyrkoun 3amelo ma3rouf Kisses ciao ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mayssamassoud</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/04/10/watching-saddam-fall/#comment-14029</link>
		<dc:creator>mayssamassoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 18:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everybosy bede 2elkoun bass chaghle wa7de eou hiye 2eno 2eslem wou masi7iye kbar wou zghar soud 2aw bid.... Kelna wa7ad merci 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everybosy bede 2elkoun bass chaghle wa7de eou hiye 2eno 2eslem wou masi7iye kbar wou zghar soud 2aw bid&#8230;. Kelna wa7ad merci</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/04/10/watching-saddam-fall/#comment-10440</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice! We truly liked this work .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! We truly liked this work .</p>
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		<title>By: John Callender</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/04/10/watching-saddam-fall/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>John Callender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a couple of things:



First, you have the timeline backwards. This item was posted April 10. The link to the wide-angle photo of the statue-toppling was posted three days later, on April 13, after that wide-angle shot began being widely distributed.



Second, you seem to be arguing that this event couldn't have been both a staged piece of propaganda and something that sent a mixed message via a Marine draping a US flag over Saddam's head. But I don't see any problem with that at all. In the real world, even scripted events can send mixed messages. How you interpret the sight of US Marines helping a crowd pull down a statue of Saddam depends very much on your perspective. And that perspective shifts significantly when you see a wider-angle shot of the scene that shows a largely empty square guarded by US tanks, and a close-up that allegedly shows one of the flown-in followers of Ahmed Chalabi among the Iraqis in the "spontaneous" celebration.



I'm not saying the whole thing was a set piece created on a Hollywood sound stage with professional actors. But I think a reasonable person, looking at those images, could well conclude that this event was indeed staged as a propaganda ploy.



Or not. You get to decide for yourself. And if your personal bullshit detector is sensitive enough that you question some or all of the information presented on this site, then I can only say, with complete sincerity, congratu-fucking-lations. You have made me very happy.



In the case of this particular item I happen to incline the other way, but I have a profound respect for your willingness to seek out information and think critically about what it means. I only wish more people were willing to do so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a couple of things:</p>
<p>First, you have the timeline backwards. This item was posted April 10. The link to the wide-angle photo of the statue-toppling was posted three days later, on April 13, after that wide-angle shot began being widely distributed.</p>
<p>Second, you seem to be arguing that this event couldn&#8217;t have been both a staged piece of propaganda and something that sent a mixed message via a Marine draping a US flag over Saddam&#8217;s head. But I don&#8217;t see any problem with that at all. In the real world, even scripted events can send mixed messages. How you interpret the sight of US Marines helping a crowd pull down a statue of Saddam depends very much on your perspective. And that perspective shifts significantly when you see a wider-angle shot of the scene that shows a largely empty square guarded by US tanks, and a close-up that allegedly shows one of the flown-in followers of Ahmed Chalabi among the Iraqis in the &#8220;spontaneous&#8221; celebration.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the whole thing was a set piece created on a Hollywood sound stage with professional actors. But I think a reasonable person, looking at those images, could well conclude that this event was indeed staged as a propaganda ploy.</p>
<p>Or not. You get to decide for yourself. And if your personal bullshit detector is sensitive enough that you question some or all of the information presented on this site, then I can only say, with complete sincerity, congratu-fucking-lations. You have made me very happy.</p>
<p>In the case of this particular item I happen to incline the other way, but I have a profound respect for your willingness to seek out information and think critically about what it means. I only wish more people were willing to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/04/10/watching-saddam-fall/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this site is an interesting one but forgive me for being somewhat skeptical.  I don't think that we as americans have been told the full truths about this war.  What I hve a problem with though is in this article the soldiers are apparently portraying an image that the pentagon does not want.  However In a previous article posted, this same event of pulling down the statue of Saddam, was questioned as a hoax. (Tale of Two Photos)  That the only people present were marines, media, and basically actors.  My question is, How can this event be a hoax staged by the pentagon, and have marines portraying a negative image?  Wouldn't the pentagon disallowed this?  Or if it was a hoax, and the marines did this "unscripted", why would they allow it to be aired on tv?  That's the problem with shit like this.  Try to find a conspiracy in every little facet of this war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this site is an interesting one but forgive me for being somewhat skeptical.  I don&#8217;t think that we as americans have been told the full truths about this war.  What I hve a problem with though is in this article the soldiers are apparently portraying an image that the pentagon does not want.  However In a previous article posted, this same event of pulling down the statue of Saddam, was questioned as a hoax. (Tale of Two Photos)  That the only people present were marines, media, and basically actors.  My question is, How can this event be a hoax staged by the pentagon, and have marines portraying a negative image?  Wouldn&#8217;t the pentagon disallowed this?  Or if it was a hoax, and the marines did this &#8220;unscripted&#8221;, why would they allow it to be aired on tv?  That&#8217;s the problem with shit like this.  Try to find a conspiracy in every little facet of this war.</p>
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